The Truth About EMFs: Are Phones the New Cigarettes? | Nicolas Pineault

[00:00:00] Nicolas Pineault: So I would start with, different categories.

[00:00:03] The first category of danger that is, you know, let’s call them the red zone when it comes to cancer. Or, the number one priorities, is anything that is physically touching your body and emitting EMFs.

[00:00:14] So think about a phone. If you put like it’s on your face, on your ear, or it’s in your pocket, it’s close enough to the body. It’s essentially, body contact. So phones, wearables, including, you know this is a Garin watch. I don’t use the Bluetooth. But many people have a Bluetooth enabled watch or chest strap or AirPods would also fall in that category because of course they’re touching the body.

[00:00:40] So I would say anything that’s touching the body, including laptops. Or tablets that people hold very close to their body or on their body. Many people work with a laptop on the lap. So anything that’s touching the body would be in the worst category.

[00:00:55] When you create distance from these machines, then you dramatically lower exposure.

[00:01:02] Dr. Z new: Hey friends, this is Dr. Eric Zielinski. Most people just call me Dr. Z. Welcome to the Natural Living Family Podcast. 

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[00:01:29] The truth is God has a beautiful plan for your life, and yes, your health matters to Him. Are you ready to get started? Awesome. Let’s dive in.

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[00:01:39] Laurie: Hello. I have been using your Greens powder recipe ever since I got your book years ago and I love it. But now that I’ve heard this podcast about the algae bits, I’m considering switching over to that. I am curious as to what supplements I can stop taking now.

[00:02:03] Dr. Z new: Hi Laurie. Thanks so much for your question. Mama Z and I are just unbelievably encouraged to hear that you’ve been making and loving our super greens mix all these years. I mean, that really blesses us ’cause we know what it’s done for us. And if you didn’t know this, the Super Greens mix recipe came from my mentor, Enoch, who was battling cancer at the time, and he felt like God was leading him to combine all of these super food powders together.

[00:02:27] And that was one of the things he contributes to being cancer free. And he’s today, 82 years old, can still run circles around me and my kids and bench press , 250 pounds, and he’s just a pillar of health. So to your point, you’re correct. Algae, whether spirulina or chlorella, they’re absolute powerhouses, which is why we included them in our recipe.

[00:02:48] And for those folks, if you’re interested in hearing what Laurie’s talking about, go to natural living family.com and you can type up greens powder and you can get our DIY super greens mix, and you’ll literally will save hundreds of dollars if you make your own. But if you don’t want to or don’t have the time, you can just go to the store and get a good organic, properly sourced Super Greens powder, which is I think vital for us to live a healthier, abundant life today.

[00:03:11] When you’re mentioning what Dr. Catharine Arnston was sharing with her Energy Bits product, they’re definitely a convenient way to get the same nutrients that you’re getting in, in your powdered super greens. But here’s the key. If you don’t take a well balanced super greens powder like you are and switch only to algae, for example, you’re gonna miss out on the full spectrum of benefits from all the grasses, leafy greens, healing herbs and roots and even things like camu camu that are in the mix.

[00:03:42] Those ingredients provide wonderful sources, natural food sources, of vitamin C, vitamin K, iron, um, what else? Calcium, anti-inflammatory compounds and detox support. Things algae just can’t supply in the same way alone. So instead of thinking it as an either or kind of thing, many people find it best to use algae bits like myself included.

[00:04:06] I love to take energy bits alongside of my super greens mix because it helps fill in the gaps and it gives me things and helps me achieve more energy and detox the way that I’m trying to, based off of what I’m going through in my day. And of course, you know, consistency matters most. Fueling your body daily with the nutrients God created to help you thrive is key.

[00:04:30] And personally, I don’t take a multivitamin. I prefer to get my nutrition from real food, including blends like our Super Greens mix and whole food options like energy bits, spirulina, chlorella. You can save a lot of money and avoid, this is the key, unnecessary, petrochemical based synthetic supplements.

[00:04:49] Like I’m not taking calcium, I’m not taking a bunch of stuff people my age are taking, ’cause I’m focusing on getting my nutrition in whole food, plant-based form. And so I hope that helps. But I also wanna encourage you look at the supplements that you’re taking and see, do I need this? What exactly am I taking this for?

[00:05:10] And if you don’t have a targeted reason why you’re trying to take a specific supplement, especially something that’s in a capsule, then I would question why you’re taking it and try to get your nutrition from whole food plant-based form, of course, in the foods that you eat, but also in these powders and these other wonderful things like energy bits.

[00:05:29] Laurie, I hope that helped, and thank you for your question. You’re on the right track, my friend, and we are rooting for you. And how about you? Our wonderful Natural Living Family podcast listener. Do you have a question about natural living, Bible health, natural remedies or essential oils, anything in between?

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[00:05:57] Some risks are simply loud and obvious. Others are invisible, quiet, constant, and woven into modern life. So what if I were to tell you that the biggest health stressor in your life today isn’t in your pantry? It’s not in your head, but it’s in your pocket.

[00:06:13] Nick, the EMF guy Pineault, is the number one bestselling author of the Non Tinfoil Guide to EMFs, and a leading advocate for safer tech. With humor, science and just good old fashioned common sense, he helps families cut through the noise on electromagnetic pollution with no fear, no gimmicks, and of course no tinfoil ads.

[00:06:34] In today’s episode, Nick explains why proximity to tech matters most. The red zone devices to watch and the overlooked symptoms EMFs can trigger. You’ll hear simple swaps you can make tonight; speakerphone, wired headphones, router timers… plus strategies for navigating a wireless first culture.

[00:06:55] Get ready for a grounded, practical masterclass that you are gonna learn a lot of great information from. You are gonna love this interview. 

[00:07:04] Dr. Z: All right, Nick. Thanks so much my friend for being here.

[00:07:08] Nicolas Pineault: Thanks for having me, Dr. Z. It’s a pleasure.

[00:07:10] Dr. Z: Oh man. I got a couple things on my bucket list; skydiving, hike a mountain, interview the EMF guy. I really, it’s been, it’s been on my list for years. I’m just so grateful for you to open up your calendar and do this.

[00:07:25] Let’s just dive right into it. I mean, “the EMF guy”. How did you become the EMF guy and why are you really so passionate about this topic? 

[00:07:34] Nicolas Pineault: Well, the story really starts around the cancer that my mom was diagnosed with in 2016. Prior to that I was interested in environmental toxins, especially the toxins that we don’t hear nearly enough about including, you know, what’s in our tap water.

[00:07:50] There are carcinogens there and other substances and toxins that can accumulate and eventually, just lower our ability to feel good on a constant basis and also are linked with various chronic diseases, including cancer. And that was my research prior to 2016.

[00:08:07] But at the beginning of 2016, my mom called me. And of course, you know when you hear about someone near you getting diagnosed with cancer, and at the beginning you don’t know exactly what type it is, what. How bad is it? So I was in shocked and so was the entire family, and in the end she had early stage three breast cancer.

[00:08:26] So, we were fortunate enough for her to recover quickly. When I say quickly, it’s within, you know, eight to 12 weeks. She was way better, which was shocking.

[00:08:36] But at the same time, you know, we did A mix of traditional oncology, but also holistic principles. Seeing an integrative doctor Dr. Daniel Crisafi in Montreal, who knew about breast cancer treatment on all levels, including what, which herbal supplements to take. And I was very, very surprised because I did not know that people had this expertise.

[00:08:56] But it really made me think after my mom started recovering, you know, I could bring back my mind to my research. And I said. How on earth is did she develop this cancer? Right? There are a lot of different carcinogens.

[00:09:08] And I started thinking about one carcinogen I had started reading about at this point that is EMFs. And not all of people realize, but this is one of the fastest growing type of potential carcinogens in our environment. It stands for electromagnetic fields or electromagnetic radiation.

[00:09:26] That’s the radiation that is emitted by a phone, by a Bluetooth earpiece, or AirPods that so many people have in their ears almost twenty four seven these days, by cell phone towers, by even wifi. All these examples are new types of EMFs that essentially, you know, 15 years ago, most of them were not necessarily present. And the early cell phones, of course, date back further, you know, 40 years ago started in the 1980s, but most of the population wasn’t exposed before the early two thousands.

[00:09:58] And when it comes to our children, for example, they’ve just started, you know, a few years ago being exposed, a decade ago with tablets and with AirPods and these new technologies that now bring these EMFs closer to our body compared to any time before in human history.

[00:10:15] So of course before that we had the TV waves, the radio waves, all of these are examples of EMFs. But it’s been the fastest growing in the last decade and every decade it’s accelerating the main problem. Why is it accelerating to so much? Well, obviously people are excited about these new devices, the iPhones and AirPods and iPads and everything, and it’s not just Apple, any competitor also emits the same types of EMFs.

[00:10:44] But also, it’s been the lack of regulation around EMFs, just like when you have a new agent, you know, when they came up with asbestos, at first I read about the history of asbestos. It was used in the industry and why people were so excited about it, is that it is almost a miracle material to work with in the industry. To do all sorts of things. They use asbestos in cars for, you know, to make brakes more resistant to tear down and to normal use. And, in various industries, it was really a revolution to have more asbestos in products.

[00:11:20] But of course, the early warnings in the 1930s by a handful of scientists were ignored because look, I, I understand that you’re maybe concerned that people working in a, in industry with asbestos end up with lung disease, but you know, it’s too exciting. It’s a new revolution.

[00:11:40] We’re essentially in the same spot in history, but later with a new agent called EMFs. And that’s really why I was fascinated in 2016 about a topic is that, my God, everyone ignores. EMFs and also it is the fastest growing. So if the scientists I have been reading about in various different books like Dr. Martin Blank from Columbia, who unfortunately passed away after reading his book, after writing his book in 2017, but he had really dire warnings around it.

[00:12:13] He said, look, EMFs is an environmental toxins just like lead and mercury and other toxic metals that we know are extremely dangerous for our brains and are also thought to increase your risk of cancer.

[00:12:29] So to this day, you know, the awareness is a little bit better. But a lot of people, including, unfortunately politicians and regulators are very content to keep their heads in the sand and say things like, “oh, all EMFs are perfectly safe”, but in reality, even the research around EMFs and cancer is getting stronger and stronger and stronger. To the point where I think we’re almost reaching the point where it will be impossible to ignore very soon.

[00:12:58] Dr. Z: It reminds me also of cigarettes and you,

[00:13:01] Nicolas Pineault: same thing

[00:13:02] Dr. Z: you’ve said many times,

[00:13:03] Nicolas Pineault: Uhhuh

[00:13:03] Dr. Z: with the new smoking. I’m sure you’ve seen those advertisements back in the early 20th century of doctors smoking and saying camels are the recommended brand by doctors. Wow. Wow.

[00:13:17] Nicolas Pineault: Shocking right?

[00:13:18] Dr. Z: It’s humbling. Walk us through that.

[00:13:21] I mean, are EMFs really the new cigarettes? 

[00:13:24] Nicolas Pineault: Well, this is, you know, an analogy I do not say this lightly, and this is an analogy that scientists have come up with. Scientists that usually are very prudent about what they say, but they literally said, many of them back in 2018, looked at the cancer data. And the cancer data is, of course, most of it is epidemiology.

[00:13:45] Which is unfortunately, some scientists that are a little bit more maybe discouraged about their work say, epidemiology is studying, counting the body bags. Because you’re studying how many people died from, for example, a brain tumor. And then you try to figure out how many of them use the cell phone on the right side, and how many used on the left side.

[00:14:06] This is called ipsilateral or same side type of brain tumor. And the reality is that many cancer epidemiologists that had been studying other topics prior to EMFs, including Leonard Hardell is essentially has been the first scientist to sound the alarm about Agent Orange that was sprayed during the Vietnam War. And the fact that not only Vietnamese people, but also US troops came back with bizarre types of cancer.

[00:14:35] And he said, “Look. I think it’s a carcinogen” and he was right of course. It is very dangerous. To this day, a different formula is using as a pesticide, unfortunately, you know, glyphosate and these formulations. So same manufacturers, they’re Monsanto and these big agrochemicals.

[00:14:52] But basically what he said is, once I started publishing on EMFs no one wanted to hear about it. And it was more difficult to work in EMFs because you went directly against the big rise in cell phone use and the tech boom, the early two thousands internet boom, and everyone saw, that look, the future is using more EMFs.

[00:15:15] We need telecommunications everywhere. We need every person with a cell phone. And eventually, of course, the smartphone. I think Steve Jobs to this day is probably credited with this idea with the iPhone.

[00:15:26] And at first I was laughing about it with my wife Jen. You know. 15 years ago we were like, who’s gonna use an iPhone? It’s like, $150 per month. And it’s kind of clunky. We thought it was lame. You know, for two years or three years I thought it was a very stupid invention and I, I regret this wholeheartedly. I did not. I was so wrong about this. People adopted it and eventually I have an iPhone. To this day, I don’t use it like most people do, trying to avoid EMFs.

[00:15:55] But just going back to cancer epidemiology here to not lose track. The reality is that the data on cancer and using a cell phone to the head is strong enough for these scientists to say “EMF is the new smoking” back in 2018.

[00:16:13] It was the cancer epidemiology and the risks of ipsilateral cancer, acoustic neuroma. Where you can develop a … it’s not a cancer per se, but it’s a type of tumor that can lead to complications. Including becoming deaf on one earor literally you could die from it.

[00:16:29] But also glioblastoma, you know, the deadliest type of brain cancer. And many scientists are now saying, we do see an increase in glioblastoma. It’s not that common. But if you have just a slight increase, imagine a fraction of 1% or even, you know, a 10th of that, you do have a big mortality rate around the world. Why? Because almost every human being uses a phone, right?

[00:16:53] So the dangers of this technology surpass smoking in a sense. Or the risks associated with that technology, I should say, because we have more people who use phones, than people who smoked. And the reality is it’s not just the phone.

[00:17:08] Now, there are researchers looking at, what happens if you don’t use a phone, but you use, for example not a phone to your head, but a phone in a pocket, for example. So if it increases brain tumors, could it be related to testicular cancer that we see increasing in our youth? Could it, could it be linked with stomach cancer? With colon cancer, with ovarian cancer?

[00:17:29] And what concerned me at the beginning of my work, and still concerns me every single day I do this work, is that we do not have the data. And we do not have the scientific funding to look at these questions. So there are many scientists that say “Look, the cancer data is strong here. So wherever you put the phone, you decide where you want to increase cancer risk.”

[00:17:50] And there are a good set of studies where women put a phone in their bra for extended periods of time for over 10 years, by the scientist and medical doctor John G. West who I think is from a Californian University, and he found bizarre cases of breast cancers. That you have tumors that essentially mimic the shape of a phone. Multiple small tumors. And you know, I think these women were able to live.

[00:18:17] Breast cancer is not the deadliest type of cancer there is, but of course it can be life changing, life altering. And I know for my mom, thankfully, you know, almost 10 years later to this date, she still lives and she is, I think, in a better health than prior to her cancer. But for sure, it was an incredible shock and just the treatments and she did go through radiotherapy and different things, it’s not something I wish on anyone. 

[00:18:43] To this day, what is especially troubling is I don’t see warnings on phones like, “do not keep this machine too close to your body for extended periods of time.” And this is what many scientists have been trying to argue. At a minimum, we should make it so that users are informed about the potential risks when it comes to cancer, but also to other aspects of their health, including fertility for example. 

[00:19:10] Dr. Z: I go back to the 1980s and nineties when I was a kid, and whether it was a 60 minute segment or some other newscast, I can’t recall, but I’m pretty sure it was 60 minutes. I vividly remember the segment on electrical wires. And connecting the potential causation and correlation between leukemia and other childhood cancers.

[00:19:37] And seeing the families just pour out their heart, broken that “we were told it was okay to live right by the electrical wire” and you see these babies

[00:19:48] Nicolas Pineault: I know

[00:19:48] Dr. Z: with, visible tumors, and then the ones that had leukemia and others… that left an indelible mark on me.

[00:19:55] But at that time, you know, I was okay. We didn’t have a cell phone and we actually had a rotary phone, Nick, back in the day. I’m that old, I guess, but my parents were that broke and we were that old fashioned. And so when I was introduced to my first cell phone, I never connected the two.

[00:20:12] Because it’s not an electrical wire, right? Electrical wires a physical presence. I never connected the two. And then it took years for me to understand, even conceive what EMFs were. We have this mass awareness, lack of, there should maybe, we could say, 

[00:20:31] Nicolas Pineault: yep, 

[00:20:31] Dr. Z: that how do we clearly communicate without sounding like crazy tin hat people, right? Tinfoil hat people.

[00:20:41] How do we communicate this in a way to say, look, the one thing that you literally need to survive in our planet to work. I would argue it’s almost nearly impossible not to have EMF type of devices and thrive unless you’re completely off grid. But for 99% of Americans that live in the city, it’s unavoidable. It’s completely unavoidable.

[00:21:07] You can’t provide for your family. You can’t go to school. You can’t have entertainment. How do you convince people? First off, the awareness that the invisible can possibly be harmful. And I think that’s the biggest thing that I’ve struggled with is communicating that. I’m curious what you say.

[00:21:28] It’s kind of like health evangelism. And as a Christian, you know, I’m here to talk to people about Jesus. And I’m here to tell people like what Jesus did for my life. And people are like that, that takes convincing. That takes a personal experience. There’s a cognitive disconnect at times that people need to understand for me to get that point across.

[00:21:47] And I find quite frankly, Nick, that what I do, and I’m sure you do too, is like health evangelism. We’re trying to convince people.

[00:21:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:21:54] I’m just curious, like for someone listening. At this point, you’re probably sold on the idea that EMFs are harmful. We’re preaching to the choir. But what I get a lot, my friend, is people ask me, how do I share this with my daughter? How do I share this with my son? How do I tell my grandkids this? What’s the first thing without freaking them out like, you’re a tin hat person.

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[00:22:50] Nicolas Pineault: It is, it’s a very tough sell because a lot of people don’t feel it.

[00:22:55] Dr. Z: Exactly.

[00:22:55] Nicolas Pineault: And I say the number one thing I tell people is probably don’t start with cancer. Right? I think people have been almost desensitized to carcinogens because there are so many of them. Eventually you tune out or you hear on tv there’s a new carcinogen in town and you’re like, “okay, what else?” I’ve heard that a thousand times “a new study, links, whatever with cancer.” It’s like you don’t hear it anymore.

[00:23:22] So when it comes to EMFs, yes, the cancer risks are there, but I’ve never really heard about someone developing a tumor within, you know, a few years. Usually it’s a lifetime of exposure. It is a long-term risk.

[00:23:36] So if people are completely, you know, do not hear this message, a short term risk is: this device can impact your sleep. And now a lot of people think about that devices that way. They think, “okay, if I have notifications on and it pings ‘bing’ in the middle of the night, obviously it’s gonna disrupt my sleep.” I’m not talking about that.

[00:23:57] I’m talking about just the fact that your phone is near your bed stand. Or for some people, they sleep with their phone, you know, under the pillow almost, charging, and things like that. There a lot of users have phones under the pillow. I think it’s probably a third of all people.

[00:24:10] Dr. Z: Wow.

[00:24:11] Nicolas Pineault: So if you have it that close to your brain, it will change the way your brain is able to get into deep sleep.

[00:24:18] And just around 20 years ago, you had researchers, sleep researchers, that wanted to verify, can a phone disrupt brainwaves and disrupt deep sleep. And what they found, they really thought it would not disrupt it in healthy participants. People who didn’t think either that the phone would impact them.

[00:24:39] For a 30 minute exposure before going to sleep in a sleep lab. What they found is that there’s about an hour of cell phone induced insomnia that it triggers. And that insomnia is not like you’re tossing and turning and you know that you’re doing it. It’s that your brain isn’t quite reaching the right types of waves that are conducive to the right type of sleep cycle you should be in right now.

[00:25:06] It’s a sort of, you know, phone induced coma where you think you’re sleeping, but you’re not really sleeping. So that’s why that’s part of the reason participants didn’t feel as recharged in the morning. You think you’re having, if we’re lucky, the average person gets six hours of sleep, I get seven. I try to get eight, and I struggle to.

[00:25:26] I know a lot of people struggle to get five in today’s day and age. Hopefully in this audience that is more, you know, focused on their health. Hopefully they get six, but if you got all this cell phone exposure throughout the night, how many hours of real quality sleep do you get in the end? And researchers didn’t have that answer. We don’t know.

[00:25:45] And to this day, what is very bizarre is that I have a hard time coming across a single sleep researcher that is aware of EMFs disrupting brainwaves. And in fact, what is ironic is that most sleep labs these days where they do these studies use more and more EMFs, in the form of Bluetooth sensors and wifi, to do the sleep studies. Polluting the data with different types of sleep disrupting technologies in order to track sleep quality.

[00:26:20] So obviously some people sleep okay with their phones, but how much better could you sleep if the phone was off or in a different room, right? Or on airplane mode. So, why I tell you this is that this is, I think, one of the key ways to convince your spouse or your kids that this might have an impact.

[00:26:40] If you restrict devices before bed or try to educate them about, okay, let’s turn off the phones before bed. And let’s turn off the wifi in, you know, wherever it is, in the garage or in your living room. Set it on a Christmas slide timer, these outlet timers, so that at 10, 11 PM it goes out. 

[00:26:59] And many people in the household and write to me, I get, you know, the last feedback from almost the last 10 years doing this. Many people say “it’s very bizarre my husband slept through the night for the first time in years.”

[00:27:12] So the reality is that when you remove the exposure, this is when you find the benefits. And you know, you don’t, you’re not talking about cancer, about something super scary. But you’re talking about something that’s gonna make them wonder, wait a minute, how else was it impacting me if it can disrupt my sleep?

[00:27:31] And the reality is they’re gonna find many benefits if they start lowering exposure. But I think that sleep is a great way to get them in that conversation.

[00:27:40] Dr. Z: How about some other little symptoms that people might not be recognizing? I’m thinking anxiety. I’m thinking any sort of mood, condition, gut issues. I’m just curious, like if you could round robin and list out 10 or 15 or 20 off the top of your head.

[00:27:53] Like what are some things that people like, “Hey, that could be EMF. “

[00:27:57] Nicolas Pineault: Yeah. For some people it’s excessive fatigue after working on the computer on wifi or talking on the phone, brain fog is very common, depression, anxiety.

[00:28:07] One that is especially telling, and these people tend to avoid cell phones, is if you get a headache. Mm-hmm. Of course, if you talk on the phone for more than a few minutes and you get a debilitating headache or migraine, more likely than not, you’re gonna stop doing it. You’re gonna use speakerphone and be prudent.

[00:28:23] But most people do not initially feel that. Or maybe haven’t pinpointed that they’re okay talking on the phone for a few minutes, but you know, above 30 minutes they start feeling it. And for some people it’s one of the ways they discover they have this sort of, EMR syndrome that used to be called electro hypersensitivity.

[00:28:41] These people that have direct symptoms from the technology it’s almost, you know, a blessing in disguise in a sense, because your body is telling you right away. Look, I don’t know what this is, but this isn’t good for you. So you avoid it, right?

[00:28:54] It’s like people who have found, oh, sugar doesn’t sit well with me, so I’m gonna avoid, you know, eating too much of it. It’s almost a blessing in disguise. Of course, it’s inconvenient. But you’re that much more likely to be healthy if you generally tend to avoid sugar because you know, it doesn’t sit well in your stomach, for example. So it’s the same idea.

[00:29:14] Other things that people have reported included the heart arrhythmia. That’s, I felt it myself with cordless phones where I had this sort of oppressive feeling on the heart. Where my heart is kinda weird right now.

[00:29:30] And I feel like almost, you know, irritable. So it’s a sort of change of mood that can happen when you eat certain things. For me, I would feel the same way if I have, I don’t know, half a bottle of wine the night before. I wake up in the morning I feel exactly that way before my coffee.

[00:29:47] But when it is triggered by technology, it can be, you know, you’re walking around in a Starbucks, you’re not feeling well. And one time it happened to me where I could feel my energy levels going down and my mood being very negative, and I was sitting right underneath an industrial strength router. And when I got away, I instantly felt, “Ahhhhh”. I felt calmer.

[00:30:07] So it’s a sort of, you really feel like a sort of anxiety induced by the technology and a lot of people, it takes years for them to really pinpoint. It’s every time I go by this thing.

[00:30:20] You know, I heard a story of a man who every time he was on the highway, at a certain point he started feeling anxious and got very weird symptoms in his heart. And he told himself, “my God, am I having a heart attack?” But it’s bizarre. That imaginative heart attack is always at eight 15 in the morning and he is like, wait a minute, and it’s only five days per week. It’s on my commute.

[00:30:45] And it turns out, after talking with his doctor. His doctor was Dr. Zach Bush who is very well known online, you know, triple Board certified. And it was a bizarre case because for Zach Bush, it was one of the first time he saw someone electrosensitive in his practice. And they discovered through trial and error and discussing what is happening at eight 15. It was going by this huge cell tower near the highway and it was triggering the symptoms for him.

[00:31:12] And thankfully, when his health status improved, he was able to tolerate the environment more. But that’s just an example of someone who it took years, literally, before the man could pinpoint, my God, I am sensitive to cell towers.

[00:31:26] Because of course, if you look online and you search for cell towers, everyone keeps repeating. “Everything is safe.” But in reality, it is impacting us at a low level and it is a stressor. But some people react almost to them like an allergy, literally. But sometimes, you know, they haven’t discovered that it’s really that bad. 

[00:31:48] Dr. Z: Wow. That’s a really good list, y’all, and I wanna encourage you to listen to that again.

[00:31:53] So many people just have unexplained symptoms. And not to say directly, a hundred percent correlating and relating to EMFs, but directly attributed to it’s a contributing factor. ‘Cause a lot of those symptoms can be caused by a number of different things. And it’s like you gotta experiment. And, I would love to hear what your thoughts are in a minute about an EMF fast, for example, like just going camping or doing something.

[00:32:17] Nicolas Pineault: Mm-hmm.

[00:32:18] Dr. Z: Being intentional about going in nature, significantly distanced away from your devices and just enjoy, right? Enjoy some forest bathing. But before that though, I’m curious, I like these lists. These are really helpful for a lot of people like myself who were taking lots of notes.

[00:32:36] I would love to hear your ranking of household items or everyday items that we’re exposed to from worst to least in terms of exposure and things like, for example, microwave, smart technology, refrigerators, the tv, your phone, all that. I’m just curious if you could rank them. Just so we can create context and I would just love to hear as many items that come off the top of your head.

[00:33:01] And then I wanna go maybe a little bit further about how we can protect ourselves. 

[00:33:06] Nicolas Pineault: For sure. So I would start with, you know, different categories.

[00:33:10] The first category of danger that is, you know, let’s call them the red zone when it comes to cancer. Or, the number one priorities, is anything that is physically touching your body and emitting EMFs.

[00:33:21] So think about a phone. If you put like it’s on your face, on your ear, or it’s in your pocket, it’s close enough to the body. It’s essentially, body contact. So phones, wearables, including, you know this is a Garin watch. I don’t use the Bluetooth. But many people have a Bluetooth enabled watch or chest strap or AirPods would also fall in that category because of course they’re touching the body.

[00:33:47] So I would say anything that’s touching the body, including laptops. Or tablets that people hold very close to their body or on their body. Many people work with a laptop on the lap. So anything that’s touching the body would be in the worst category.

[00:34:02] When you create distance from these machines, then you dramatically lower exposure. For example, if I held the phone on my face, it would be, you know, a hundred percent of the danger. And at one foot of distance it would already have dropped off in intensity by 80%. 90% at two feet. So that’s why, you know, we’re gonna talk about strategies, but just creating distance makes a lot of sense.

[00:34:27] Then you have other machines that I would say most people are exposed to v ery close to the body or in close proximity, but they’re not necessarily on your body. I would include in that computers that you’re using at a distance, but on wifi, you would be at one, two feet. Most people would be on a computer these days connected to your wifi and also a Bluetooth antenna.

[00:34:50] Also, wifi routers, especially if they are relatively close to where you spend a lot of time. So if you work at home, where is that wifi router? For some unfortunate people, it’s been placed very close to their office area or maybe very close to the bedroom and they don’t even turn it off at night.

[00:35:08] So it was the case of my dad who eventually told me that. You know, my dad is an extreme kind of guy. I mean, he has the same passion as I do. So I told him about EMFs and he said, you know what happened? I discovered my router is right next to my screen. Like you had the screen the router and a hard drive and his computer tower, I think. And he said, I took the thing and tossed it in the trash.

[00:35:32] And I said, dad, you didn’t have to do that. you could relocate, but you know, he took, everything I say very seriously. So I said, well, at least he’s taking action. But, you know, he realized that it didn’t feel good at that workstation. And of course, I mean, it had been working for a few years at, I think one foot from the wifi router, which is uncommon.

[00:35:51] But this is one machine that is quite strong. And also these wifi routers nowadays are getting stronger. Because people realize, well, I have poor connectivity in this area of my home. Now we’re gonna use this industrial strength router with five antennas. So, of course, w when you have better coverage, it’s synonymous with more EMFs throughout your home. So wifi routers are a big priority.

[00:36:17] And I would say also the entertainment centers that we have now have, you know, apple tv, Roku, gaming consoles, media centers, Bluetooth speakers. All of these different machines are, you know, quite strong. And sometimes people use them just on a weekend, but the rest of the time they are still emitting radiation. So all of these things are in close proximity.

[00:36:41] And then of course the last, there are certain things like, you know, even a microwave oven that could be an EMF hazard. But how many minutes per year, are you using your microwave oven right? And staring at it at a very close distance, which you probably shouldn’t do. It doesn’t represent a big fraction of your overall cumulative exposure because you’re not spending all day, every day cooking in your microwave oven.

[00:37:07] Which I don’t really recommend using. I don’t like the taste. And there’s also the concerns if you use any plastics inside the microwave oven. But yes, the microwave oven will emit some microwaves and that’s the a similar type of exposure compared to your wifi and cell phones.

[00:37:23] But again, you know, if you have to worry about these things, I start always with things that are touching your body. Then things that are close by and that you are spending many, many hours per week close by.

[00:37:38] So an example, someone told me, you know, I have this vacation home and I cannot turn off the wifi router and, you know, should I be worried about it? And I told them, okay, well how many days per year do you spend as your vacation home at? 14. You know, just two weeks. Okay, well it’s two weeks out of, the other 50 weeks that you’re not in this home. So this is not your top priority.

[00:38:01] Your top priority should be, where are you spending those 50 other weeks? Oh, well, my regular home. Okay. Well try to mitigate there because we have to think about then overall cumulative exposure and not necessarily obsess over one source or another. Especially the ones that where you’re not spending a lot of time in close proximity. 

[00:38:23] Dr. Z: Cell phones, AirPods, wearables. That’s my top three.

[00:38:28] Nicolas Pineault: I agree. 

[00:38:28] And I would say laptops for computer workers.

[00:38:32] Dr. Z: You can’t, that’s too personal. That hits home to me. I can’t. See, that’s the problem. You hit it home to me.

[00:38:37] Nicolas Pineault: Yeah. There you go.

[00:38:37] Dr. Z: I’m a writer, Nick.

[00:38:39] Nicolas Pineault: Yep.

[00:38:40] Dr. Z: See, that’s the problem. I’m gonna choose those other three ’cause those are easier to control my laptop, but I promise you I’m gonna come up with a good solution. It has to be functional for me, right?

[00:38:51] Nicolas Pineault: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:38:52] Dr. Z: It has to be functional because I’m saying that in jest. ’cause my wife, she likes her AirPods.

[00:38:58] Nicolas Pineault: Mm-hmm.

[00:38:58] Dr. Z: And I’m like, honey, and I’ve tried every, and I’m talking like depth of my heart. Love, and I’ve been firm. I’ve done tough love. Nothing works. I’ve done honey, I love you.

[00:39:08] I don’t want you to get brain cancer. I’ve made jokes about it. I’ve been sincere, but everything! Like, and it it’s personal because her brother-in-law, our brother-in-law passed away from glioblastoma.

[00:39:21] And I, you know, it’s one of those things where unless someone is convicted and in her mind, it’s a necessity because always on the go, seven kids, she needs to be hands free, blah, blah, blah. I’m like, okay. So that’s one of the things that she’s working on and I hope and pray she works on.

[00:39:42] But just as a thought, like you gotta choose a couple things out of the whole list that Nick just gave y’all. You gotta choose a couple things that you can commit to.

[00:39:51] And then ladies especially, I’ve seen it so many times, do not put the phone in your bra like guys, myself included, don’t put it in your back pocket and you know, or on your side holster like this is not a gun. You’re not the wild, wild west, y’all remember Nextel.

[00:40:08] So what can we do? I highly encourage everyone. Please, you don’t need AirPods. Nick, thank you. For being a man of integrity and having wired headphones. For those of you who are listening, you can’t see Nick is wearing a headset or he’s wearing headphones, but they’re wired.

[00:40:24] Nicolas Pineault: Yep.

[00:40:25] Dr. Z: It, and I’ll end with this ’cause I’ll rant on this, but boy oh boy, it shocks me. And it is a criticism and I’m gonna make a judgment call all of these natural health influencers and crunchy moms and all these people doing this stuff, functional medicine practitioners, when I see them on a podcast and I see them.

[00:40:42] Nicolas Pineault: Yeah,

[00:40:42] Dr. Z: with Bluetooth AirPods, I’m like, Ugh. But that’s it’s something though they haven’t been convicted of. And I’m like, okay, I pray for them. But I think we need to hold each other accountable. Right. And same thing people like, you know, people can pinpoint things that I do, of course, but boy oh boy.

[00:41:03] Oh boy. Anything else you can say about AirPods? Because man blue, it beats audio. Nick, the problem is the culture. It’s, I know it’s becoming cool to be retro and have cords, but cordless is the culture. Kids love it. The athletes, the celebrities, the musicians. Yep. It’s just how do you, how do you go counter culture?

[00:41:25] Cords are clunky. Cords are ugly. Cords, my daughter complains about it. It’s like it’s a fight, man. 

[00:41:32] Nicolas Pineault: It is it is very tough. I would say, you know, one thing that I share lately is with parents, if you can convince your kids if they’re stationary, use wires. If you’re on the go, use wireless. So maybe have both options at a home. And at least have, I don’t know, the, the spot where you study have these wires there. And then of course they have to remember to do it, which is, you know, a big change of habit.

[00:41:56] Yeah. But even for yourself, you know, I’ve done podcasts with entrepreneurs. They have AirPods in their ears. I don’t judge them for it. I don’t believe in, you know, being judgmental or having this, like being angry towards them or anything. I’ve seen this type of activism. I don’t think it’s very effective. I think that it might create the opposite of what you’re trying to do.

[00:42:16] Also as a parent. I mean, doing that to your kids, especially if they’re, teenagers. I don’t have a teenage. Boy, he is only seven, but it sometimes it feels like he’s becoming a teenager very fast, to be honest in how he responds. And I’m like, okay, this is not the type of relationship that I, I want.

[00:42:34] So maybe it can be, you know, trying to find compromise. Like if you’re studying in your in your little spot that you have for your homework, I want you to have the wires. Right? Or can we agree to that? That would be more appropriate, especially if they’re older.

[00:42:50] Same thing for entrepreneurs. When I see them recording podcasts or being in front of the computer for hours on end. Why do you need the wireless in this scenario? You probably don’t right. It’s not that annoying to have the wire, but each hour that you spend less on the wireless will reduce your risks.

[00:43:07] Right? there is one type of product that I’ve heard about for AirPods specifically, I wanted to share with you, for your wife. It’s called Wave Block. It’s a type of sticker.

[00:43:18] It’s not, harmonization or anything like that. It is physically blocking part of the radiation that would be emitted towards the user. It goes in the branch of the AirPod and they claim 80 plus percent reduction towards the user. You know, even if it does a fraction of that, it’s probably better than nothing. And I’m always hesitant to, you know, recommend them and other solutions that do not block a hundred percent.

[00:43:45] You block a hundred percent a machine doesn’t work. If you block a large percentage, you’re always left wondering, is it enough to mitigate the risks? People should not be using them in the first place.

[00:43:56] I think we have to find, compromise and try to graciously offer different options to our, to our loved ones. When it comes to myself, I won’t use the wireless things of course. I have to walk my talk and if I use a phone, it’s for very, very short periods of time and I create distance.

[00:44:14] But when it comes to AirPods, you have to be counter to society to decide not to use them. And it’s a tough, tough sell. I’ll give you that. 

[00:44:24] Dr. Z: It is, it is. And just encourage each other to do our best.

[00:44:27] And it’s, you know, Nick, I’ve had a revelation and I’m glad ’cause it seems like we’re so in alignment in this. I was really hard on myself. I was hard on my wife. I was hard on my family for many, many years to try to be quote, “non-toxic”. Which is impossible.

[00:44:42] Nicolas Pineault: Mm-hmm.

[00:44:43] Dr. Z: , You cannot live a non-toxic life.

[00:44:45] I mean, it is. And this is the primary thing. It kind of was EMF. It hit me like, I can’t avoid these things. I could create my own bubble, but there’s still a 5G tower, not too far away. Or whatever it might be. Or I might be up at the airport or the person next to me. It’s kind of like we’re all dealing… You didn’t mention this, but I’m curious if we’re gonna get more of this secondhand smoke mentality.

[00:45:08] Like secondhand smoke is just as bad as regular smoke. Like what about secondhand EMF exposure? Like, you know, so that’s the other thing. When you’re on a subway, you’re getting it from everybody. You don’t need to have it on yourself.

[00:45:18] So, I really appreciate this. I really appreciate this. It’s been really helpful to me and to encourage me. To like live a lower toxic life.

[00:45:28] Nicolas Pineault: Yeah.

[00:45:28] Dr. Z: To do our best. One little swap, one little change. And I love it. It’s very, it’s so much more, I dunno just what else to say. Loving, compassionate, to realize, you know, you can’t avoid a hundred percent of the parabens and phthalates that go on your skin. You can’t avoid all this.

[00:45:46] But if you make effort to minimize the risk. It will serve you in the long run. And that’s what I wanna encourage people with. We are a hundred percent fragrance-free family. We’re a hundred percent sugar-free family. We’re a hundred percent, you know, gluten-free. Whatever we’ve done well in those areas.

[00:46:04] There’s some areas that, you know, EMFs, I’m being vulnerable here. That’s a battle. We’re still working it out.

[00:46:09] There are other things, like, we’re not a hundred percent paraben free, but we’re probably 98%. Okay. And if we if we work on that, that’s why I wanna applaud you for your work. ‘Cause it’s like we need to celebrate those separations.

[00:46:24] And I am finding that the more that I do, the more I’m empowered to do more. And the more I learn, the better I get. And as I get older, it becomes easier and easier and easier. So I’m with you.

[00:46:38] I don’t have a pair of AirPods and I’m okay. I don’t mind speaker phone and I rarely ever have the phone in my ear ever. I love Wired. I just got used to it, right? And in the context of this conversation so thanks you so much. I mean, you really take a very compassionate, nonjudgmental approach and that’s what we need, especially with our kids and our family.

[00:46:58] One last question, unless you have anything else. I really appreciate your time, but, you know, I wanna highlight one thing. As a researcher, the struggle we’re having, and I think it’s reality, we’re never gonna get the research that we need.

[00:47:11] And I think we need to understand this. It’s impossible to get a long-term randomized control trial. I mean, it will be impossible to do. 

[00:47:22] Nicolas Pineault: There’s no control group of an unexposed.

[00:47:25] Dr. Z: Nope.

[00:47:25] Nicolas Pineault: You know, EMF populations anymore

[00:47:27] Dr. Z: Won’t happen.

[00:47:28] Nicolas Pineault: And it’s becoming impossible. I agree with you there. 

[00:47:30] Dr. Z: Yeah. So we need to understand this.

[00:47:32] So with that said, we need to have a level of faith. And that’s why I wanna encourage the listeners right now. We need to have a level of faith, that, yes. This is dangerous, potentially very dangerous. And we need to do our best to minimize our risk and minimize our exposure.

[00:47:49] But the reality is it will, it is literally impossible to have a 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 year randomized control. Where people have not been exposed versus people that have been exposed. And there’s so many variables. So what we’re gonna see is muddied research. That’s going to, unfortunately, the tendency is to lower the risk ratio in the data and suggest its other things.

[00:48:16] The burden of proof is on us truly. And this isn’t a conspiracy theory, but the reality is there’s so many other factors that have been proven that the researchers are gonna naturally lead to. And so this is one of those faith aspects.

[00:48:30] And I wanna encourage everyone to follow Nick’s advice, go to his websites, check out his work to find out maybe other things that you’re not thinking about that could be a cause of, or maybe this is the reason why you’re experiencing these kinds of things.

[00:48:47] But with that said, and, and, you know, it’s sad, it is. But we don’t always have to be data driven. And it’s like, okay, certain things, and this is one of ’em. I think it’s common sense. I think it’s a level of common sense that we can accept. And Okay, if we can all accept now…

[00:49:08] What would you like to leave people with and where could people find you? Your work?

[00:49:12] Where can they learn more and any other parting pieces of advice? 

[00:49:17] Nicolas Pineault: Yes. Well, I will say it is sad that we’re in a space where it’s up to people listening to, an interview like this to protect themselves. I would want the industry to come up with safer products.

[00:49:32] The only way that’s gonna happen is if we learn about a problem, then tell others about the problem, and try to have this grassroots effort to demand safer technology.

[00:49:44] That’s not the only way to make things happen. I am connecting with attorneys that are going the legal route. That’s an angle. I am aware of politicians that are trying, you know, the governmental changes, regulatory route. That’s another angle.

[00:49:59] My angle is: tell everyone you know about it, let’s start a conversation and at a minimum try to commit to one change you’re gonna make in your household. Just people who told me, “I turn off the wifi at night, I do nothing else, Nick. I don’t listen to anything else you’ve told me.”

[00:50:16] That’s fine. I’m happy with people having done that change. Because when they have relatives that are sleeping over and they say, well, you know, in the middle of the night I woke up and your wifi is off. What’s happening?

[00:50:29] Dr. Z: Mm-hmm.

[00:50:29] Nicolas Pineault: Well, there you go. You spark a conversation about, well, you know, we’ve realized that we sleep more soundly.

[00:50:35] Eventually the industry’s gonna realize that and gonna say. Wait a minute, we’re gonna make it so that every router turns off at night, or at least, you know, gives you a prompt on your computer that says, do you want to turn me off at night because it might help your sleep.

[00:50:51] And even more than that, we’re gonna see an industry coming up with lower EMF radiation routers that promise the same level of connectivity. Which almost at the moment is almost impossible to think about because the engineers are not forced to really develop in this direction.

[00:51:09] So I do envision and I want to hold this vision for everyone. I do envision a future where we can have safer technologies. Have ethernet cables in homes, or cables that make it so that your media center can be wired, doesn’t have to be wireless. Your computer, your security cameras, all, everything that’s moving towards more wireless could be more wired and safer and more secure on internet security standpoint.

[00:51:36] Dr. Z: Mm-hmm.

[00:51:37] Nicolas Pineault: And there’s gonna be a future where we will look back at the, you know, 2010s, 2020s and 2030s probably and say. “E these guys were all wrong and were pretty stupid to be honest, in how much EMFs they were using. “Now we’re using a fraction of that, and we have infrastructures around the world that provide fast internet through fiber, and we know that the EMFs that we use are much safer than these, you know, these clueless generations before used to use.”

[00:52:07] So I think we’re pretty much in this space where we are in the early stages of the smoking epidemic, and, in these days, you had researchers that were sounding the alarm against smoking. They must have been very discouraged seeing how many people smoked and the smoke in airplanes, you know, for an 18 hour flight to Australia. Right?

[00:52:29] Dr. Z: Exactly.

[00:52:29] Nicolas Pineault: It was crazy, crazy, crazy times, right? When you Sometimes I, I read articles about these old days and I’m like, oh my god, people were clueless 

[00:52:38] Dr. Z: Ashtrays are still in some of the planes, buddy. 

[00:52:40] Nicolas Pineault: Well, exactly. You see that old ashtray.

[00:52:42] It. so basically I want to just tell everyone, look, the goal here is try to learn about the topic, but stay sane if that’s possible. I think it is.

[00:52:54] But stay mindful. Learn what you can. try to minimize what you can. You’re gonna be happy that you did so when, you know, 10 years from now, it’s gonna come out. People will say, Hmm, we need to dramatically lower EMF limits. You’re gonna be one of these pioneers that, “Yeah, you know, I’ve been doing that 15 years ago, and I’m glad that I did.”

[00:53:16] Because when I see these early warnings, I can listen to them and especially when the action step that I want you to take doesn’t cost a dime. You know, turning off your router at night might just save you a few cents per year in electricity bills., so try to do your best and start there and start today and not, in 15, 20 years when the mainstream is gonna catch up. Because it is an uphill battle. It’s gonna take a while and, you know, I plan to still be there saying the same thing.

[00:53:45] You know, I have a few gray hairs I think. By the time I’m done with this, I’ll have, you know, a full gray and I’ll be an old man with my 15 book on the topic published. But, you know, I hope that it, it, it won’t take time. But the reality is, you know, it’s a massive kind of boat we’re trying to steer right now, and it’s tough.

[00:54:04] It’s going against an entire segment of society that thinks, “Oh, if we lower EMFs, we’re gonna stop technological changes.” No. If we lower EMFs, we’re gonna spark technological changes in the right direction that is conducive to more health and not to people feeling more lonely and crazy and anxious and also EMF blasted with different technologies that shouldn’t be at these exposure levels. They’re true intense.

[00:54:35] So I know things are gonna evolve in the right direction. In the meantime, do your best to protect yourself. That’s all. 

[00:54:41] Dr. Z: I love that. I wanna thank you. I really do. I wanna thank you for being a pioneer in this space.

[00:54:45] My mentor, Enoch, 81 years old, healthiest guy that I know. And over 40 years ago, God told him, don’t use the microwave, don’t eat microwave food. Everyone thought he was crazy. His wife thought he was crazy. His friends thought he was crazy. Hasn’t had a microwave in his house. I personally don’t.

[00:55:01] Now we’ve found in addition to EMFs, what microwave actually does to the food and it’s just not good. It’s one those things where I wanna encourage everybody, we need discernment. We need spiritual discernment. And this isn’t a conspiracy theory, this is to highlight, there are well-intentioned people trying to help the world.

[00:55:21] And Nick, I dunno if I told ever this, but my father-in-law helped developed GMO corn.

[00:55:27] Nicolas Pineault: Really?

[00:55:27] Dr. Z: He’s an ag scientist, he’s a PhD. He worked for Dow Chemical. He worked with Monsanto on behalf of Dow Chemical. He developed GMO corn. And he believes to this day that he was helping feed humanity. Well-intentioned, loving man. Loved the guy. We couldn’t think any differently on this topic, personally, and I’ll tell you, this isn’t the point, the finger, but you know what?

[00:55:50] I wanna encourage you, Nick, and I wanna encourage everyone else listening, the movement, and this is recorded summertime of 2025. It’s almost every week right now, we’re hearing headlines of product manufacturers stopping and claiming and proclaiming. They will be removing artificial dyes, artificial flavors.

[00:56:10] Nicolas Pineault: Mm-hmm.

[00:56:10] Dr. Z: Artificial this and that. Seed oils, all these things. There’s been such a movement and an outcry from people. Ultimately, we vote with our dollar, and like you said, I think this is gonna happen sooner, hopefully before you get a whole gray hair ahead. But the reality is. This has to happen next.

[00:56:29] It’s food ingredients. It’s artificial dyes, it’s artificial flavors. It’s the fragrances. That’s next on my list, ’cause that should be outlawed. And this is something we need to regulate.

[00:56:37] So thank you. It’s gonna happen folks. In the meantime, we need to trust. Trust our instincts, trust our gut, trust the preliminary signs that we have. Realize there are things we can do to mitigate our risks and to protect our families.

[00:56:52] How many more drugs need to be recalled? How many more apologies do we need to be heard? How many more times do we need to say, oh yeah, we were wrong. Smoking cigarettes is bad.

[00:57:03] We need to think and we need to think for ourselves. And this is one of those areas where I believe the enemy of our souls, the devil, has been really deceptive. It’s a challenge. It’s a challenge. Especially ’cause it’s so crucial and vital. So Nick, thank you so much.

[00:57:16] Folks, if you haven’t checked out theEMFguy.com, theEMFguy.com, learn from Nick, just dive into his world. He hosts live events and summits. And if those of you who are a podcaster, reach out to him. This, his interviews, this information needs to be out in the world. If you’re an influencer, reach out to him. He’s got great products and services that could help you.

[00:57:41] And just a lot of love, man. So thank you so much for checking off my bucket list. Next will be skydiving. But truly it’s been on my list to interview you for quite a while, my friend. And thank you.

[00:57:50] Nicolas Pineault: Thanks for having me. It’s a pleasure.

[00:57:52] Dr. Z: All right everyone, thanks so much for tuning in. And as always, this is Dr. Eric Zielinski. My hope and prayer is that you and your family truly experience the abundant life.

[00:57:59] God bless. We’ll talk to you soon.

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[00:58:33] God bless. Talk to you soon.