Vibration for Healing Strength: Boost Muscle & Balance Safely | Jason Conviser

[00:00:00] Dr. Jason Conviser: We looked at all different kinds of diseases. Multiple sclerosis, weight loss, parkinson’s, everything you could think of. And then reference the articles that are available to show in controlled very clean studies, how they’re using vibration in different environments to help people deal with their particular presentation.

[00:00:22] All the way from being stronger, faster, more mobile with a division one or elite athlete situation, all the way to how do you handle it when you’re at the later stages of your life so that you don’t have to be limited to a wheelchair or limited to a bed. How can you move more effectively?

[00:00:42] Dr. Z new: Hey friends, this is Dr. Eric Zielinski. Most people just call me Dr. Z. Welcome to the Natural Living Family Podcast. 

[00:00:48] Together we’ll uncover biblical wisdom and practical tools to help you and your family escape the confusion of this toxic world and walk in the abundant life God has promised. This isn’t about chasing trends or doing it all. It’s about renewing your mind, rejecting broken systems, and embracing God’s design for healing and wholeness.

[00:01:09] The truth is God has a beautiful plan for your life, and yes, your health matters to Him. Are you ready to get started? Awesome. Let’s dive in.

[00:01:19] Dr. Z: Everybody, this is Dr. Eric Zielinski. And what an honor and a privilege to be able to share with you just the brilliance of Dr. Jason Conviser and, this topic of, of just whole body vibration.

[00:01:31] What it means, how it could bring health and healing to your life. This is gonna be a treat. And so first off, do me a favor. Give me a thumbs up. Let me know where you’re calling in from. Again, this is Dr. Z in Atlanta, Georgia. And, and Dr. Jason, where are you calling in from, sir?

[00:01:47] Dr. Jason Conviser: Calling from Chicago.

[00:01:49] Dr. Z: Chicago. And you were, we were just talking about, you’re gonna be coming down to my neck of the woods in the next week or so. And folks, doc’s got dinner reservations lined up. He’s got he’s gonna be watching the Atlanta Braves game. Like that’s how you should travel, right? I mean, like, make, make the most of it.

[00:02:07] Do you find yourself traveling a lot with your line of work? 

[00:02:10] Dr. Jason Conviser: Before COVID, I my wife used to say, I live on the, the third row of a United Airlines flight. And I just come home to change clothes. But after COVID, I’m traveling about once a month to do a conference or talk about medical fitness related issues.

[00:02:28] Dr. Z: You meet a lot of people and, you get a chance to share this message of health and healing and you get a chance to see a lot of things. You know, in my line of work, there’s opportunities umpteen, and folks, the reason why I like to do this and why I’ve ramped up these live classes is, I have six kids. My wife is pregnant with number seven.

[00:02:46] For me to travel, I still, I deal with a little dad guilt. I don’t wanna be gone all the time. Once in a while with my guys, maybe on a spiritual retreat with my brothers from church, but if I could do this at home. Hallelujah. 

[00:03:00] Anyway this is great folks. We’re gonna dive right into this right now. Doc, just a little bit about your background, if you could share, but if, let me begin by this. Let me begin by inviting you all to just a wonderful conversation.

[00:03:13] I have here, Dr. Jason Conviser. I’m gonna read his bio and then let him share a little bit about his background and why he’s so passionate about this topic. And then we’re going to go through a number of questions that we’ve pre-prepared. And you’re gonna get a lot of great information.

[00:03:28] So to begin, I welcome y’all to this wonderful conversation with Dr. Jason Conviser who’s a leading expert in metabolic assessment and exercise prescription for special populations. He holds a PhD in Exercise physiology and an MBA and is a fellow of both the American College of Sports Medicine and the Medical Fitness Association.

[00:03:50] Dr. Conviser’s best known for his work with patients dealing with metabolic syndrome, obesity, and providing exercise strategies for those who have “given up.” He has authored eight books and has been invited to speak at 38 international conferences, let alone traveling all over the continental United States.

[00:04:10] Again, doc, thank you so much for joining me. Vibration. Out of all the things in the world. How did you get turned on to this topic, as an exercise physiologist? 

[00:04:21] Dr. Jason Conviser: First of all, thank you for the invitation.

[00:04:23] 40 years ago when I started this, I was always interested in medical fitness and people laughed at me ’cause I’ve always been interested in 50, 60, 70, 80, 90-year-old individuals. What are their needs?

[00:04:36] And when I was in school 40, 45 years ago, everyone was talking about World Records, Olympics, D1 athletes. And I consider all of my clients to be athletes, but their, their athletic performance starts with different limitations and different needs, and usually a lack of education.

[00:04:57] They go, “What do I do? How do I do it? I have the time, I have the money, I have the interest, but I just don’t know how to get started.” Fast forward 20 years ago, a friend of mine from elementary school called and said, I want you look at this piece of equipment and this technology. And he said, it’s the world’s largest vibrator.

[00:05:18] And I go, well, I’m the wrong guy for that. Mm-hmm. And he says, no, seriously, this is good stuff. It’s used at NASA, it’s used by the Russian speed skaters, it’s used in Europe. And it’s a platform of vibration.

[00:05:31] The concept is if we can’t get the brain to tell the muscles to fire and sequence and fire completely and effectively, how do we stimulate those muscles to contract?

[00:05:43] Dr. Z: Yes.

[00:05:44] Dr. Jason Conviser: So the whole idea from whether you are a Division one basketball player, and in March Madness, or you’re a 94-year-old guy who just has trouble moving his legs, and we need to use vibration to massage them, to help them vasodilate, to keep the muscles active. We know with vibration we can make the muscles, we can stimulate the muscles and make them contract.

[00:06:08] Now, the reason that’s important is that. We wanna get as much blood to the muscles as possible.

[00:06:15] Dr. Z: Mm-hmm.

[00:06:16] Dr. Jason Conviser: Blood carries oxygen. Oxygen is like gasoline for the engine. So if we can get blood vasodilate the vessels, blood is shunted to the exercise muscles, we can get more value, we can more get more bang for our buck.

[00:06:33] So things as simple as better balance, better circulation, increase in resting metabolism. Working with individuals who have Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis, individuals who haven’t exercised in years, or those who only have five or 10 minutes to exercise. So I call whole body vibration a tool in the toolbox of getting better and getting fit.

[00:06:59] It’s not the only tool that you need, but it’s an important tool because it works. It works for all ages and physical presentations. And the risk of something happening bad is incredibly small.

[00:07:12] So I know that we can send people to the library of exercises to deal with a sore back, inflexibility, all the things that people come to my office for and say, “help me with X.” We use vibration a lot with our, our clients. 

[00:07:29] Dr. Z: Now, I will confess. And it’s no excuse. It’s no excuse, but time is probably the most valuable commodity to me. And with six children, that’s always my eternal excuse, with a pregnant wife, finding that time that I could do the things that I need to do, especially sitting in this environment all day long, whether it’s teaching classes or it’s typing, writing my next book, I’m engaging.

[00:07:58] Getting to that place where I could exercise for more than like 30 minutes at a time is like a luxury. So I found myself gorging on exercise snacks. Have you ever heard of that term? By the way?

[00:08:11] Dr. Jason Conviser: Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:12] Dr. Z: Gorging on exercise snacks. And what that is is like these little micro exercise things that you could do throughout the day.

[00:08:19] You’re like snacking on food. You can snack on exercise. And my go-to. And this was around the time of COVID when everything shifted to inside, right?

[00:08:29] All work and travel and more meetings. More zoom, zoom, zoom, right? Like, here we are in Zoom again, right? Or whatever this version is. I found myself being drawn naturally to the vibration plate in my house.

[00:08:41] And I was like, thank God I have this thing. And then I started to experiment, Doc. I started to play around. I would just stand on it. And immediately the tension in my back, my shoulder, because again, my background is a chiropractor. So I immediately found just helping, just, not just balance, but muscle tone. It helped. It was like a full body massage.

[00:09:01] And then I noticed a little bit of heart rate and sweating, and I looked at the vibration plan and it said, I just burned 200 calories just standing on this thing for 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 minutes. Like, what in the world?

[00:09:11] So I started to play around. I started to do curls, bicep curls. I started to do shoulder press. I developed a whole workout! And then I looked at like, there’s a company called Power Plate that actually has a whole built out system for you. It’s like all in one.

[00:09:27] I was like, where has this thing been all my life? So for those people like me who stumbled upon this, I started going on like, what was the history of this?

[00:09:36] Like? Like, I’m just curious if you could give us a little bit of history behind I. I don’t know if you remember or not, but to the invention of the onset of this technology of whole body vibration.

[00:09:48] How long has this been around? Where has the developments came from? And where is the future?

[00:09:54] Dr. Jason Conviser: So I’m gonna break that up into three different parts.

[00:09:57] Dr. Z: Yep.

[00:09:57] Dr. Jason Conviser: We started, it was new 45 years ago when the Eastern block countries were doing speed skating. Mm. And if you if you know about speed skating, they’ll have eight skaters on the ice. One minute, five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever the length of their, their event is and they go in a row.

[00:10:15] So if you all warm up at the same time, only one person’s gonna go first, and then you might have to sit and wait till your, your time comes. Hmm. So the idea of using vibration to keep the muscles warm and flexible, started with the, the Eastern Block countries many years ago.

[00:10:32] Second place that has been used is in space flight. Because we can put men and women into space, but it’s hard to weightlift because you’re in a weightless environment. So how do we stimulate the muscles to fire so when they come back to earth, their muscles are still strong? And it, one of the things we’ve learned that in the International Space Station, if they’re, you know, weightless environment for 5, 6, 7 months, they can come back with osteoporosis when they had healthy bones before they, they launched.

[00:11:03] Dr. Z: Wow.

[00:11:04] Dr. Jason Conviser: So it’s a way of keeping the body healthy and safe. With your permission, I wanna take 60 seconds and explain how does this thing work? So that everyone then can take their individual issues and say, “Well, can it help me with this? How do I deal with it?”

[00:11:21] So imagine if you, if you go to your pantry in your kitchen and you take a box of spaghetti out and you hold that spaghetti in your hand, it’s a bundle of spaghetti. And you just turn it to the side and you see maybe a hundred or 200 pieces of spaghetti. That’s exactly what a muscle looks like in cross-section under a microscope.

[00:11:40] If you take that pasta and try to bend it, it’s brittle and it breaks. But if you take warm water and pour it over the spaghetti, it becomes loose and pliable. Muscle is the exact same way.

[00:11:53] If we can shunt the blood, the warm blood with oxygen, to the muscles, we can make those stiff muscles more flexible. So to prepare, to warm up, we prepare the body for activity.

[00:12:08] Some of your listeners may say, so what? Why does that matter? Because muscles work in the same way that rubber bands work. If I take a rubber band and I pull it this far apart, and it’s, it’s stretching, it has potential energy.

[00:12:24] It’s not energy until I let go, and then it snaps. And the muscle contracts. Muscles contract thousands of times a minute. Just every time it’s, it’s open close, open, close. That’s how muscles work.

[00:12:36] But if I can take that muscle and stretch it this far, it’s still just potential energy. But when I let go, it has much more capacity to do work. So I can warm up the muscle, before you exercise and I can help the muscle create more force when you’re participating in various exercise, and just as important, I can help the muscles recover or come back to a resting position.

[00:13:04] So all your listeners, there is a device that helps you prepare for activity, perform activity, and then recover from activity and doing it safely. Now you could do that by warming up on a treadmill or walking around a track or lifting lighter weights and then building up slowly.

[00:13:23] But with vibration, we’re usually setting these devices at about 30 hertz. And 30 hertz means 30 vibrations, 30 muscle vibrations a second. So in one minute you have 1,800 muscle contractions at 30 hertz, and that’s much more you can do than warming up with a weight going up and down or or walking around a track.

[00:13:48] So it’s not better than anything else, but it’s certainly is more efficient. And just as you opened, you said, all of our people are, are worried about how much time do I have? Can I get some value? If I just do 10, I only have 10 minutes, can I get some bang for my 10 minutes? As opposed to saying, well, I don’t have an hour, I just won’t do it.

[00:14:10] So it prepares, performs, helps you recover. It allows the body to warm up, to shift shunt the blood from the trunk to the exercising muscles. It delivers more oxygen. Oxygen is like gasoline for your engine. Mm-hmm. And now we’re ready to, to start playing the game.

[00:14:29] So if any of your listeners are division one or Olympic athletes, we have many of the national teams traveling with vibration units and they’re the world’s best athletes. And then we have individuals who are 70, 80, 90 years of age who are recovering from an injury who may not have may have taken a fall and have an owie on some part of their body. They’re stiff, they’re uncomfortable, and everything in between.

[00:14:54] We can use vibration to help prepare the muscles to exercise and to to get people what they want, move and move more effectively and comfortably.

[00:15:05] Dr. Z: You mentioned the word, I’m really glad you did, the word efficient. One thing that we specialize in is natural therapies, natural living. And if I have a choice between taking a vitamin C supplement or eating an extra lime or lemon, I’m gonna go get the vitamins in its natural state.

[00:15:23] Is it accurate to say there’s virtually nothing that we could duplicate this experience in nature? Like this is such a, like you mentioned, the high frequency, this is the best of, of what we see from nature, but manmade to a point where you cannot find this type of efficiency anywhere else. Is that fair to say? 

[00:15:42] Dr. Jason Conviser: Yeah. When my friend, 20 years ago, 25 years ago, when my friend asked me to, to do some review of the literature and to see, is this really possible?

[00:15:52] Can we basically cut off the head, stimulate the body with vibration and get the same or a better muscular, physiological, hormonal, metabolic effect on the body? And I said, you’re crazy. There’s no way in the world that you can do vibration for five to 10 minutes and get a similar outcome that other people are taking 30 to 45 minutes.

[00:16:16] Dr. Z: Yep.

[00:16:16] Dr. Jason Conviser: So I’ve written books about vibration. I’ve, I’ve score the international literature and not only do I believe it, I have it in my own house. I have it in my clinics. We use it and we use it every day. Some people use it for just a couple minutes at a time. Some people use it for longer durations.

[00:16:37] Dr. Z: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:38] Dr. Jason Conviser: And you don’t need a PhD or a chiropractor or a medical doctor to tell you what to do. One of the nice things is that Power Plate has a library of exercises. So if you go to the library and say, my lower back hurts, or my feet swell when I come home at night, or I’m stiff, my hamstrings are stiff, so I just can’t get started.

[00:17:01] You go to whatever the presentation is, and there’s a whole litany of exercises that you can use while on this vibration platform to meet your individual needs. 

[00:17:11] Dr. Z: Wow. And it’s fascinating you brought the history ’cause my wife’s a speed skater and, and in that cold environment, especially even being like, you know, a hockey player who’s not playing every 2, 3, 4 minutes, you’re in that physically cold environment, your muscles contract and then you get in that fight or flight mode and you wanna loosen up.

[00:17:27] So that makes a lot more sense in that context. So 45 years ago, fast forward maybe 20, 25 years, which now brings us to the early two thousands, I started seeing these vibe plates pop up all over gyms everywhere. Mm-hmm. And then with now I just went to Vegas to a medical conference and right there at the gym, beautiful Spa and Resort at the Venetian, this Power Plate unit was there.

[00:17:51] And it was like a saving grace for me because the gym was packed. I got there a little bit later in the morning, I slept in thank God without, you know, first time away from kids in about six months. I’m like, I’m gonna sleep in. I get to the gym.

[00:18:03] Everything’s packed but the vibe plate. All by itself calling my name Eric, come here. Come here. I had the best workout on that thing in 30 minutes then, and I was just in my little world just following along, doing my things like a whole body wonderful workout.

[00:18:17] So the thing we get a lot, doc, and this is one reason why I really wanted to talk to you about this ’cause of your special population experience. We have so many people that come to us post-injury, obese, in a position where they just can’t even, like walking a mile to them is so monumental.

[00:18:34] if you have any fun little stories or encouragement for people, like literally just standing on this thing, if this is all that you could do, can do wonders for you. To hopefully get you to the point where you’re then kneeling down and playing with your grandkids again. I would love to transition to a little bit of hope for, for people if you have any.

[00:18:52] Dr. Jason Conviser: I wanna tell you about a client that I saw just this morning. He’s 93 years old. His legs are still strong, but he’s dealing with Parkinson’s. And the connection, the signal for the brain to say, “Hey, muscles, start contracting. I wanna stand up. I wanna walk.” That signal is shot.

[00:19:12] So we use vibration to stimulate the muscles to fire so that he has 2, 3, 4 minutes of physical activity capability. Now that may not seem like a lot, but that allows him to get from his bedroom to the shower. It allows him to get from the shower to get dressed.

[00:19:30] It allows him to get from his house downstairs where there might be a car waiting for him so he can go to the symphony or he can go to the airport and allow him to get somewhere else. It’s not gonna change the disease, but it changes physically the way he can deal with the disease.

[00:19:51] I had another gentleman who he, he was wheeled into a senior assisted living center and his mission in life was to take his family back to Normandy during the the celebration, the 75th celebration. And he couldn’t walk in the United States, and we had a three month program of using vibration to help him get strong again.

[00:20:11] Now, it wasn’t the only product that we used, but it allowed him a base, an initial entry point so he could do other things. Then to cycle, then to walk slowly on a treadmill. Then to be able to take one or two stairs up or down. It gave him some mobility.

[00:20:29] It gave him what we call ADLs or Activities of Daily Living. And in fact, he’s on the power plate website. And if you listen to his video, you can’t help but cry. If you don’t cry, you don’t have a heart because all, he had everything but physicality.

[00:20:47] He had the time, the money, the interest, the support system, but he couldn’t physically do it. So we were able to help him do it.

[00:20:55] Dr. Z: Wow.

[00:20:55] Dr. Jason Conviser: At the same time, we work with international athletes. And you’d think that figure skaters, gymnasts, lacrosse players, you think of the professional teams. These are the finest athletes in the world.

[00:21:09] They use vibration for training so they can get that little edge. A little bit more value out of their training time, their warmup, and, should they be injured, to increase the speed and ability to get back into the game as they’re recovering.

[00:21:26] So it’s not, it, all the stories don’t matter. The only story that matters is to any one of your listeners what’s going on with their life.

[00:21:36] So if their back is sore, vibration is a fantastic platform for making your lower back feel better. If you’re, if you have trouble crossing your legs and, and tying your shoes with vibration, you’ll feel, “oh my God, it’s, I’ve only been using it for two minutes and I can lift my one leg up, cross over my, my legs and I can tie my shoe.”

[00:21:59] Whatever it is that your listeners want to be able to do, probably there is an exercise routine using vibration that allows people to do it.

[00:22:10] Physiologically. How is that possible?

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[00:22:47] Dr. Jason Conviser: The vibration makes, first of you show every single muscle attaches to a tendon. Tendons attach to bone. There’s not a single muscle that attaches to bone. Muscles attached to tendons. Tendons attach to bones.

[00:23:02] Inside those tendons is something called a GOLGI tendon organ, G-O-L-G-I. A GOLGI tendon organ, and it’s a stretch receptor. It monitors how much stretch there is in the muscle. If it’s too tight, it tightens up so you don’t rip the tendon off the insertion at the bone.

[00:23:21] But that GOLGI tendon organ responds to vibration. So just like when you’re hurt, you might rub your arm if it hurts, or whatever you do. That GOLGI tendon goes Jason, you’re doing okay. I’m gonna allow you to stretch just a little bit more.

[00:23:38] And if I can stretch a little bit more, it’s easier to get out of a chair. It’s easier to hit a tennis ball. It’s easier to lift your grandkids when they’re 30 or 40 pounds.

[00:23:47] All the activities that you want to do by warming up, getting those muscles loose and pliable, they have more capacity to do work. And when they have more capacity, the activities that you used to be able to do seem to come back and you enjoy them a little bit more.

[00:24:03] But you have to use it. If you have a vibration unit at your home and you use it just to put shoes on or clothes on mm-hmm. And you leave it there, it it’s very good to dry towels, but that’s not what you want. You wanna turn the machine on.

[00:24:18] And my family makes fun of me that I’m the least technical person on the free world. With vibration, you plug it in, it has on off, high low, and you’re ready to go. Once you take it out of the box, it’s ready to go. So your listeners don’t have to become a PhD or a chiropractor. They can do it and do it very effectively. 

[00:24:40] Dr. Z: Hmm. And a real warning is this will become addictive. You’re gonna want to be on this thing on a regular basis.

[00:24:47] It’s like a shot of espresso. It’s really popular in my world, Doc, to have standing workstations. And I’m sure you know, you can’t, you’re not supposed to stand for extended periods of time, especially just without moving. I found like my back and my knees, everything hurting.

[00:25:01] I put my vibe plate right under my desk, and here I am having meetings, doing my work on it. And you know, your voice may shake a little bit if you’re in the middle of a meeting, but just excuse yourself. Like, “Hey, I’m at my standing workstation on my vibe plate.”

[00:25:15] And you’ll feel so much better. The energy lift, the boost. A couple things with that too. Let’s talk a little bit about lymphatic drainage. Detoxification.

[00:25:23] Like, I hate to say it, it’s like a cheat code. It’s almost too easy. You’re literally just standing on this thing and it’s like a rebounder without you doing the work, right? So can you walk us through a little bit of that? 

[00:25:34] Dr. Jason Conviser: It stimulates drainage. It’s as simple as that.

[00:25:37] A lower back pain, that’s one. Aches and pains, that’s another. You feel better. I have people that tell me they use vibration so they have better bowel movements because it helps people feel better. It’s a low energy way of getting a high energy workout.

[00:25:57] So for sure lymphatic drainage is something all of you don’t have to be a genius. You don’t have to be a world class athlete. You just have to use vibration.

[00:26:07] There’s another one that I wanna get in before before we run out of time. There are waste products in our body.

[00:26:15] There’s cortisol. Cortisol is not, you don’t want cortisol to be in the body. And we usually associate it with stress. Physical and mental stresses.

[00:26:24] With whole body vibration, cortisol goes down. So one, when people say, “Oh my God, I’m stressed at work, I’m stressed with my husband or wife, I’m stressed with the kids. I had a 10, 12 hour day, I’m stressed.” And how do you decompress?

[00:26:42] Decompress to an exercise physiologist says, how do you lower the cortisol level? How do you increase the serotonin so that you have that feel good feeling? And that’s something that can happen without 3, 4, 5, 10 weeks of training.

[00:26:59] That’s something that you feel right away. So it’s common for people. And I should also say this, I don’t get paid for doing these podcasts. I do this ’cause I really believe in this and I have a passion for this. I don’t make a dime if anybody buys a unit. I’m just telling you there is a partial fountain of youth, you just gotta turn the machine on.

[00:27:23] You gotta be on it in order to get that good feeling. Hmm. But lymphatic drainage for sure is improved. Flexibility is improved. The sense of calmness is improved. You feel after three, four minutes of exposure. “Oh, that feels really good.”

[00:27:43] Dr. Z: Yep.

[00:27:43] Dr. Jason Conviser: And then you can decide whether you wanna do more or less. Instead of thinking about exercise being a 45 or 60 minute routine. There’s nothing wrong with doing five minutes of vibration before you leave for work. There’s nothing wrong with doing it for three, four minutes when you come home from work.

[00:28:02] A lot of people put a vibration unit under their desk and put their feet up on while they’re working for better circulation and massage. You define how you use the vibration. It doesn’t have to be a traditional formula of exercise. A few minutes gives you a lot of bang for your buck. 

[00:28:22] Dr. Z: And just a couple notes here, and we have several questions that we’re gonna be answering. You mentioned this, but I think it’s worth noting, especially when it comes to balance, fall prevention, osteoporosis, bone health. Can you speak a little bit to what the science shares about that, or at the very least, encourage folks? 

[00:28:39] Dr. Jason Conviser: So the power plate is a tri planer device. Tri planer means it goes up and down, side to side, forward and back. That’s as opposed to a teeter totter that just goes. Side to side. The tri planner is designed to safely and protectively throw you off balance.

[00:29:02] Now when I say throw you off balance, it’s almost immeasurable. It’s so small, but it teaches the muscles to contract so that when the platform is going side to side or forward and back, the muscles are contracting, so that you are preparing your body with kinesthetic awareness.

[00:29:21] You’re preparing your body so that when you do have small changes in balance that you can regain that balance. We do it a lot with people who are in their more mature years. We do it a lot with rehabilitation. We do it a lot with people who have after their stitches have healed with knee replacements and hip replacements. We do it a lot with individuals who, where their lifestyle is one of potential falls.

[00:29:49] So you’re preparing. There’s something called specificity of training. You don’t swim in order to get better balance. If you wanna be in better balance, you practice throwing yourself off balance and then regaining the balance. Mm-hmm. Regain, and it’s very, very tiny, small throwing off balance, but the muscles react with, something similar to muscle memory.

[00:30:11] So when you do start to have weight forward or leaning back or side to side, the muscles contract to say “Uhuh, we’re bringing you back to normal. We’re bringing you back to midline.” So for sure, the literature is clear that your balance is improved.

[00:30:29] With Parkinson’s, as you asked, this does nothing to fix the brain. Parkinson’s is a terrible, horrible, God awful disease. However. With vibration, we’re visually cutting off the head and we’re making the muscles contract without the brain sending a signal to the muscles. So we can use vibration for arm curls, for standing, for leg presses that go up and down a stair, whatever activities that you would normally do.

[00:31:02] We use vibration to get those muscles to exercise with the correct sequence. There’s a sequence of how to stand on a step. There’s a sequence of how to walk. There’s a sequence of how to stand up from a chair or to hold something in your hand. So it’s very important that we can bypass what’s limiting us.

[00:31:22] It doesn’t cure anything, but it gives you a respite. It gives you calmness. For some people, five to 10 minutes. For other people it might be 30, 40, 60 minutes, a couple hours, depending on, and as your listeners might know, there is no one Parkinson’s. If you’ve seen one day, you’ve seen one day. Some days may be horrible, some days may be wonderful and perfect again.

[00:31:47] In this book that I that I wrote, we looked at all different kinds of diseases. Multiple sclerosis, weight loss, parkinson’s, everything you could think of. And then reference the articles that are available to show in controlled very clean studies, how they’re using vibration in different environments to help people deal with their particular presentation.

[00:32:12] All the way from being stronger, faster, more mobile with a division one or elite athlete situation, all the way to how do you handle it when you’re at the later stages of your life so that you don’t have to be limited to a wheelchair or limited to a bed. How can you move more effectively? 

[00:32:31] Dr. Z: And one thing I wanna highlight, folks,but this is this is live right here on PubMed. And we’re looking at nearly 5,000 research studies that have evaluated whole body vibration. And it seems pretty resounding and there’s a lot more out there depending on what the researchers are calling it. But there is a preponderance of research to substantiate this.

[00:32:51] And so, we have, we’re having some questions about just misleading claims online, ’cause there’s, it, it boils down to safety. Really, some people are claiming that this is not safe and that people are getting hurt.

[00:33:05] So can you, can you maybe debunk some of that myths or fact check that in a sense. How do we put people’s minds to rest about the safety issue? 

[00:33:14] Dr. Jason Conviser: Okay. So, there’s probably three or four questions there. The first is the hertz level. There are, there’s a number of studies that have been published with Hertz level of the 5, 10, 15 hertz level. That low hertz level is actually, in my opinion, dangerous to the human body.

[00:33:37] Now, those studies have been published, but when you look at what they’re suggesting and how they’re presenting it, I would never allow, or recommend to one of my clients, to exercise on a device that’s operating at five, 10, or 15 hertz. So, could that be bad? You betcha it could.

[00:33:57] That there are many products out there that exercise that have you stimulated at the 30, 35, 40 hertz level, and the literature is very clear that that’s appropriate.

[00:34:06] Dr. Z: Okay.

[00:34:07] Dr. Jason Conviser: The second issue is when do you use vibration? Vibration is a tool in the toolbox. If somebody just came out of knee replacement surgery and they go home and they’re using vibration two days after a surgery, that would be terrible.

[00:34:25] I wouldn’t recommend it. All the stitches aren’t even healed.

[00:34:28] Dr. Z: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:29] Dr. Jason Conviser: So just like other piece of, of exercise equipment, and just like other strategies for exercise, it’s specific to how the person is presenting.

[00:34:41] The third is you can use vibration for 1, 2, 3, 4 minutes of exposure. And then there are studies that show danger when you’re doing it for seven, eight hours of vibration. Like someone with a jackhammer.

[00:34:57] Dr. Z: Yeah.

[00:34:57] Dr. Jason Conviser: And so now that’s much too much time for the body to be exposed.

[00:35:02] Then there’s other issues about if your legs are straight. If you’re standing upright on the vibration platform, you feel the vibration rattling around your head. Nobody would wanna be in that environment.

[00:35:17] But if you bend your knees and bend your hips just a little bit, then the vibration doesn’t go to your head and it goes to the exercising muscles and tissue. And then it’s a very effective way to exercise. So just like any other machine, when it’s used properly, it’s an incredibly effective and safe tool.

[00:35:40] When it’s used ineffectively or poorly, it can be dangerous because it is a power machine. I would let, I have a unit in my kids’ homes. I believe it’s safe. I have a unit in my home. We have them in our three clinics. We have, we have examples of vibration on the International Space Station, so to help individuals, the astronauts that came back from an extended stay just last week.

[00:36:07] Dr. Z: Yep.

[00:36:07] Dr. Jason Conviser: They were gonna be in space for eight days and, and found, they found out that they were gonna be there for eight months, I believe it was. Vibration was one of the strategies to keep their muscles strong, loose and pliable. So. I absolutely say it is a safe tool. It’s a safe exercise, and you use it in the right fashion.

[00:36:27] And that’s why I recommend to clients that they go to the library of exercises that are available so you know how long you should be on it, what’s the right hertz level, what’s the correct body position.I wouldn’t have people doing other exercises that I know could be dangerous with traditional weightlifting or traditional cycle or treadmill or other kinds of machines. You have to use them the right way.

[00:36:55] But I don’t agree at all that vibration is dangerous. I believe it’s the people who use it without knowing how to use it. That’s the danger. 

[00:37:04] Dr. Z: Hmm. So well said. I appreciate that. I really do. And we’re gonna cover in just a minute some contraindications and just some general advice like that because there’s a lot of folks with a lot of different things that they’re considering.

[00:37:16] But I just wanna take a quick moment, I wanna respect everyone’s time and your time too, Doc. If you’ve been interested in bringing one of these units into your home. I’m sure you’ve heard of power plate. They’ve been doing a wonderful job, a wonderful job sharing this message throughout the world.

[00:37:33] The reality is a lot of us, myself included, it’s hard to get to the gym on a regular basis and having something that, you know, that is really efficient and effective at maximizing your movement, your muscle strength, your balance, your mental, emotional health, you are gonna love this.

[00:37:50] I like, Doc, waking up in the morning and going on and reading my Bible, just standing and reading my Bible. Like you said, just doing some nice little slight squats. Bending my knees, like taking calls on this throughout the day.

[00:38:03] I like jumping on this 2, 3, 4 times a day. And there’s no excuse not to, but you said it. I can’t be putting my sneakers on it. I can’t be drying my towel. I put it in a place that I walk by multiple times a day and that still small voice says, “Hey, get on this thing.”

[00:38:18] And I’ve definitely have gotten my money’s worth 10 times. So anyway, folks, you could go to powerplate.com/drz D-R-Z. And so, massage gun, any insight into that? ’cause that’s a kind of cool thing too, ’cause that’s capitalizing on micro, not whole body, but focused vibration.

[00:38:36] Dr. Jason Conviser: I use them every single day on my clients. I believe in them. Not because it’s just another tool. Because it works.

[00:38:44] If you have a sore arm, what’s, what do you normally do? You rub the arm. And that usually feels good. Now take one of these handheld devices that vibrates and then it allows more efficiently and more trigger point or ability to work the areas that are truly sore.

[00:39:04] There are units. The, the gun is a small ball that vibrates. It’s about an, an inch in diameter. There are others the, the dual sphere, it’s like a figure eight. And then there’s also a roller. Each of these units is designed to rub. With yourself. You can rub it on a sore area. You can do it for warming up.

[00:39:24] If you’re sore at the end of the day, you can calm your feet down. If you’ve been in heels, ladies don’t, don’t be in heels. But if you are in heels the calf muscle or gastrocnemius. If your lower back hurts, they’re small enough that you could hold on comfortably and rub the sore spots in your back.

[00:39:41] The good thing about the handheld units is that the only way you’re going to hurt yourself if you take it and throw it down on the floor and hit your toes. Because you can use it for a long time and still get a beneficial effect. And it feels good right away.

[00:39:58] If this feels good when you hurt yourself or if your lower back feels sore when you hurt yourself and you’re rubbing it, then it’s legal on steroids with massaging your, your body. It’s still vibration, it’s still dilating the vessels, more blood going into the tissue.

[00:40:18] Blood carries oxygen. There’s nothing th this is not a drug. It’s allowing the body to be natural. You’re just using a tool to help it a little bit faster and a little bit more efficiently. 

[00:40:30] Dr. Z: Alright. Again, I have a pregnant wife at the house. She has this insatiable need for massages. Foot rubs, neck rubs, every rub, right?

[00:40:38] Rub, rub, rub. You get tired after a while. This is a cheat code. Guys, if you wanna massage your wife, your spouse. Ladies, if you wanna massage your kids that are in sports.

[00:40:47] Our massage therapist uses one because it helps. I mean, it’s just easier, right? And it also is, I would even say more efficient when you’re dealing with specific trigger points.

[00:40:56] It’s a great way, like you said, warming up the fascia, warming up the muscle. So you could do great work.

[00:41:02] But it’s really, when I’m tired and all the kids are in bed, it’s just like, I can just hold this thing and just rub up and down. That’s a lazy man’s foot massage and she’s happy for it. 

[00:41:12] Dr. Jason Conviser: One of your, if I could go back for a sec, one of your questions was, what’s safe?

[00:41:17] Dr. Z: Yeah. I wanna go into contraindications. Yeah. Let’s go into all that. 

[00:41:19] Dr. Jason Conviser: So, in my clinics, I follow the, the guidelines of the American College of Sports Medicine. The American College of Sports Medicine is very clear about exercise prescription and about safe and appropriate exercise.

[00:41:31] So if you’ve never exercised before yeah, it’s worthwhile calling a physician and saying, here’s what I want to do. The ACSM guidelines will say, start slow, start small, build up.

[00:41:43] But you don’t wanna say, “Well, Jason said this is an incredible tool, so I’m gonna stand on it for an hour.” Please don’t do that.

[00:41:50] Go online. Look at the different programs. Look at the five minute beginner program. Look at the programs that are specific to what you’re trying to deal with.

[00:42:00] Now, if you have just had surgery, no, it’s not appropriate to to be using a vibration. But hopefully if you just had a knee replacement or hip replacement, your doctor probably said slow walking, take it easy, don’t push it and let the darn thing heal for six weeks or two months, and then we can build up.

[00:42:20] So get physician approval just like you would do if you weren’t using vibration.

[00:42:27] When it’s used and used effectively, it’s an incredibly good tool to help you get the bang for your buck. Your time dollar that you’re investing with exercise.

[00:42:37] If something hurts, don’t do it. If you have a, you know, if you just had a, a cornea replacement, I don’t know. I’m, I’m, I’m making no good point. I would ask the, I would ask your doctor, can I use this? Is this effective?

[00:42:53] Or you contact someone like me or there, folks like me are in every city in the country and we set a program to start exercise. Yeah.

[00:43:03] I have a lot of clients who I have them start seated in a chair and put their feet up on the platform so they can get the vibration, but it doesn’t get to their hips or it doesn’t get to their head. I have people that lay down on the floor and put their legs on the, the platform, their buttocks, their hamstrings so that they get point specific to what they want the vibration to be.

[00:43:25] So it’s an incredible tool. I don’t wanna make an analogy with a screwdriver or a hammer. But a hammer, you can be very gentle and chisel some of the most incredible statuary in the world. And you can use it to knock down a wall. They’re both called hammers, but you have to know how to use them correctly.

[00:43:43] The good thing about vibration is that there’s a library of videos and pictures so you know how to use it effectively immediately, and not have to go to a class or hire someone like me to help you.

[00:43:56] Dr. Z: So is it fair and safe to say if your doctor, physician, if your physio has recommended a walking or light exercise, then that would be synonymous to something like this? 

[00:44:09] Dr. Jason Conviser: Yes, I would. I would say that. Okay. 

[00:44:11] Dr. Z: So in general, like if you could sit on a tractor, if you could go on an airplane, look, think about all the vibration that you experience.

[00:44:19] So there’s a lot of and I understand and I’d be concerned too. So we have questions about heart conditions, connective tissue conditions, post-surgery. You’ve really covered that well.

[00:44:28] But in general, what we understand here, and correct me if I’m wrong, if your doctor has recommended light exercise as a way of improving your condition, or if he has or she has not recommended against it, chances are this is a hundred percent safe. But always go back to your physician just in case.

[00:44:46] ’cause there are, what about even surgery, hip replacement, knee replacement? Are those things we need to be cautious of too?

[00:44:53] Dr. Jason Conviser: Sure. And I want your listeners to, I’m a PhD medical fitness expert. I’m not a medical doctor. I’m not diagnosing, yes, I’m not giving medical advice. But if you have a question, the best thing is to get a good answer.

[00:45:09] And knowing what this exercise thing is all about you could hurt yourself a lot, lifting heavy weights in a gym. You could hurt yourself a lot by going right to 3, 4, 5 miles of jogging. When you say, well, I used to do that before my surgery.

[00:45:26] So. There’s exercise prescription. And exercise prescription is based on frequency, intensity, duration, and mode.

[00:45:36] For some frequency could be three times a week. For other individuals, frequency could be three times a day. Intensity could be a hundred percent of your capacity. Or 10% of your capacity. It depends on your presentation.

[00:45:54] Duration. For whole body vibration, I usually recommend one minute of exposure and one minute of rest. So if you have five minutes of vibration, it’ll take you 10 minutes. So one minute on, one minute off.

[00:46:09] In almost, I’m sure there’s an exception, but almost every single football training center, baseball training center, basketball training center, soccer training center, there are vibration platforms. But you don’t see them on for 30, 40, 50 minutes at a time.

[00:46:25] Mm-hmm. Because at 30 Hertz. 1800 contractions per minute times 16 minutes, your people wouldn’t be able to walk. They’re, they’re so tired. It’s a tool.

[00:46:36] It’s part of the cocktail of exercise prescription for a good exercise program. If you need help with warming up, oh, it’s a wonderful tool. If you need help with having a little bit more intense exercise, but you have a shorter period of time, it’s an incredible way to get more for your exercising time.

[00:46:56] And for every one of your listeners. It’s not a question of should you take the time to cool down? Everyone must cool down when they’re done with exercising. Even if they say, even they say, I don’t have time to cool down. Well, the body doesn’t listen to that.

[00:47:15] ‘Cause you have to cool down over a half hour or an hour time, which isn’t very fun. Or you can cool down over a five to 10 minute period. So. It’s individualized, it’s what is it that you want to accomplish?

[00:47:29] Time is an issue. Okay, we can use that. Mm-hmm. More intensity is okay. Flexibility is really my weakness. Okay. We can do that. Stimulating a certain body part mm-hmm. And leaving other body parts alone. Okay. We can do that.

[00:47:42] So tell me What’s the dream? What’s the goal? And we can use vibration to help achieve that goal.

[00:47:49] As I mentioned before with this gentleman who he’s my client but he’s also my friend. He’s in his late nineties and we don’t want him to have to live in a wheelchair. Yeah. He wants to have as mobile a life as possible.

[00:48:05] He has the time, the finances, the cognitive abilities, but his body is failing him because of this gosh darn disease called Parkinson’s. So how do we use vibration to give him as much freedom from his body as possible?

[00:48:22] Well. We can’t stop the Parkinson’s. That’s for others to figure out. And there’s a Nobel Prize there when somebody cures that.

[00:48:29] But we can keep his legs moving. We can keep his circulation so his feet don’t get cold or start to cramp up. Mm-hmm. We can use vibration in some of the sickest of clients and we can use it for the highest level of Olympic and international athletes and everything in between.

[00:48:47] Dr. Z: This is wonderful. It’s so encouraging. I think Dr. Jason just really summarized this really well. By and large for sure consult your physician and if your doctor, if he or she has recommended light exercise as a way for you to increase your health and to recover or to prevent a disease, this is light exercise. And that’s what they consider it.

[00:49:08] Common sense is really big. If you, you know, have a stress fracture on your foot and if you step on something that’s vibrating, that hurts you, well, you wanna

[00:49:16] Dr. Jason Conviser: Don’t do that.

[00:49:18] Dr. Z: There’s, that’s element though. But you don’t have to worry about the, you know, retinal detachment are some people considering.

[00:49:24] Vertigo. It’s one of those things where, correct me if I’m wrong, doc, but try it, step on it. Sit, see how it works, start slow, work your way up one minute. And if you end up getting dizzy, okay. You know, be in a situation just like anything.

[00:49:38] I know people that cannot actually get on the vibe plate because they have a histamine condition and it makes ’em itch. Well running, makes them itch, what do you do? Right?

[00:49:45] Dr. Jason Conviser: So in that situation, what we do is we start them with one foot on the platform and one foot on ground. So we build up. We take very small steps. I’m sure there are examples of people that just can’t tolerate that exercise.

[00:50:01] I have people that can’t tolerate walking on a treadmill and they feel more comfortable on a bike. Great.

[00:50:06] But for the vast majority of your listeners, we can modify the presentation, how to start with this machine, how to use it safely and effectively. And again, you, you can buy my book, that’s great, but you can also go to the online library of movements and there are videos of people starting with you at the very lowest levels.

[00:50:32] And those people who wanna go for personal records, those people who are trying to get mm-hmm. A few seconds faster in a mile run, who are struggling with cramping when they exercise, when they have an unusual activity and they have to have just a certain muscle group training as opposed to a whole body.

[00:50:51] Then whole body vibration used specifically to target areas is a wonderful tool and I strongly recommend it. And again, my family makes fun of me that I don’t buy green bananas hoping that they turn yellow. I wanna know what I’m gonna get when I get it.

[00:51:09] And I can tell your listeners that with vibration, they will have in general, they will have a great experience, and they go, oh Jesus Vibration’s been around for 40 or 45 years, why is it brand new to me and why isn’t this been introduced before?

[00:51:26] I strongly recommend it. I have it in my home. My family has it. We have it in our clinics. I believe in it. And and I hope your listeners give it a try. 

[00:51:37] Dr. Z: Well, one reason Doc, too is very similar to infrared saunas and red light therapy. Up until five, 10 years ago, it was not cost effective for people.

[00:51:46] I mean, because of wonderful companies like Power Plate, they’ve been this affordable for the average, you know, individual making a decent living. And some people we understand. I wanna highlight this. Some people mentioning I can’t afford it.

[00:51:59] It’s outta my budget. I get it. Like, again, I’m on a budget. I have soon seven kids find a gym. Find a local gym that has one of these at the gym. I mean, that’s a $10 a month membership and then you could go make that part of your day. This is definitely for people that have that extra cash or you wanna save up to it to put this into your home.

[00:52:18] But here’s a question I have and, we’ll start landing a plane here. Again, thank you so much for your time. I really, and everyone just, just the, the things that we’re getting right now for everyone We appreciate your expertise, doc.

[00:52:28] Dr. Jason Conviser: My pleasure.

[00:52:29] Dr. Z: Have you done product comparisons? And I say that to say this, we’re not here to speak ill against another product, but there is a discrepancy.

[00:52:38] You could get one of these on Amazon for like 200 bucks. Right? So, have you done product comparisons saying like, look, these are the type of things you really wanna look for when buying one 

[00:52:49] of the, okay. Can you give us that?

[00:52:50] Dr. Jason Conviser: So, I won’t mention any brand names Yeah. Because that’s not my job.

[00:52:54] Dr. Z: Of course. Yeah.

[00:52:54] Dr. Jason Conviser: The first thing your listeners should look for is whether it’s tri planner or teeter totter. Tri planner is when it goes up down, side to side, forward back. The literature is clear that that’s a more comfortable exposure to vibration. But the truth is there are other products that are teeter-totter that are also in the scientific literature and have demonstrated wonderful results.

[00:53:20] Dr. Z: Yep.

[00:53:21] Dr. Jason Conviser: The second thing is the size of the platform. You don’t want a small plate. You want a larger plate so that you don’t have to have your feet together like this, but you can have your feet at shoulder width apart, so your base of support is stronger and more capable.

[00:53:38] So the less expensive units, you’ll usually see the two to $500 units. The platform itself is small, the smaller platforms. The cheaper units that have larger platforms, they don’t last very long because to make them cheap. They have the platform of, in my opinion, inferior strength and materials so that you’re buying something, and then you’re gonna have to replace it a year later. Okay?

[00:54:08] Then the next thing that you wanna make sure is that the amount of vibration, the hertz level, is between 30 and 50 hertz. The products, and I’m very comfortable in saying this without saying a brand name. Those products that are 5, 10, 15 hertz, don’t buy them.

[00:54:28] If you have them, use them for a door stop or see how far you can throw them in your backyard, and that’ll be part of your weightlifting program. But don’t use them because in my opinion, they’re not safe.

[00:54:41] But there are products that for 30 to 50 hertz, and it’s very safe in that arena. I’ve been doing this for a little over 20 years, and even though I have products in the 30 to 50 hertz, I use it and my patients use it, my clients use it. We use 30 to 35 hertz. So there are some units that only have 30 to 35 hertz, and that’s absolutely fine.

[00:55:06] Then the third thing that you wanna think about is called amplitude. How much is the up and down? How much is the height of the vibration? And most quality brands have two millimeters or four millimeters. Two millimeters is small, four millimeters is high.

[00:55:25] Those products that say we can get you to 10 Gs. A fighter pilot who’s flying the F 35 jet doesn’t wanna go to seven Gs because he or she blacks out. The last thing you wanna do is buy a machine that’s telling you that the force is so much that a jet fighter pilot is at risk. Don’t do that.

[00:55:48] But those that have two to four Yeah. millimeters of amplitude are the better products. Somewhere between $1,500 and $3,500, there are eight to 10 different products out there. Again, I have no financial involvement. I don’t make a penny for recommending a product.

[00:56:08] I love the Move, the Power Plate Move. I have clients who are 400 pounds and are on the platform and do great. I have clients that have trouble taking steps and can get on the platform. I have clients that can’t step on the platform and they sit in a chair in front of it. We can still use it in lots of different ways.

[00:56:28] I think it’s one of the, the best products that I have in my clinical bag of tricks, and I strongly recommend it.

[00:56:36] Dr. Z: That’s awesome. 

[00:56:37] I love it. Check it out, y’all.

[00:56:39] I did this instinctively and a lot of things happened like that When COVID hit, we, we had to figure out what we were going to do and my wife’s been using, and I’ll admit like essential oils, my wife’s was way ahead of me on this.

[00:56:50] She’s been using this product for years, and I’m like, oh, whatever. Something Sabrina does. And I was like, okay, well I was instinctively led to it during a crisis of everyone stuck inside. And I was like, I love this thing. It’s become a staple now for five years. And I wanna reiterate what you just shared.

[00:57:07] Tri ,planer look for 30 to 50 hertz, amplitude, two to four Millimeters, And price matters. 1500 to three grand.

[00:57:15] And I wanna echo this again, my world, if you don’t know this doc, we didn’t really talk much, but I specialize in this stuff. You cannot find a bottle of rose for five bucks. Why? ’cause this is a million rose petals. You’re gonna have to spend a couple hundred bucks to get a bottle of rose. It’s price matters sometimes.

[00:57:31] And for something like this, if I’m gonna be spend spending any money on something like this, I want it to last. And ours has lasted years and years. So that’s what you want.

[00:57:41] So all that to be said is I. Thank you. Thank you for the time. Thank you for the energy. Thank you for your enthusiasm.

[00:57:47] Like I’m just, I use this all the time. I wanna get on it and I will get on it right after this call. But anything you wanna end with? Any parting words, maybe something we forgot or something I didn’t ask or how would you like to finish up, doctor?

[00:58:00] Dr. Jason Conviser: Do you know the scientific literature is very, very clear that the amount of exercise that you have to do in order to improve the physicality of your life is not a lot. The difference from going from zero to just a few minutes is exponentially valuable.

[00:58:19] So if all you have is 10 minutes of time, use those 10 minutes wisely. And people say, I only have 10 minutes.

[00:58:27] If you’re one of those individuals who’s exercising even for a few minutes, from a health standpoint, from a physiological standpoint, from activities of daily living, the quality of your life experience will be incredibly strong. So don’t look for the. Only product, one product that’s perfect and will guarantee that you’re gonna live to a hundred.

[00:58:51] I don’t guarantee that, but I do tell you that when you use vibration, you will have one of those experiences where you say, oh, why didn’t I try this before? I feel good. I’m investing in me, and then I can go on and do all the other things that I, while we were talking, I can’t imagine having seven children, congratulations.

[00:59:13] But I would be on the power plate a lot more in preparation for the seven kids, but nobody comes back and says, oh, that was a waste of time. They all go, oh boy, okay. I’m feeling better now. I have to get back in the game and doing all those other things.

[00:59:29] And I hope that your listeners find that calmness and that good feeling because we all deserve to feel good and exercise is a way of getting there and everyone doesn’t exercise the exact same way, but everyone deserves the good feelings that you get.

[00:59:46] Dr. Z: Thank you so much. Amen. And I agree wholeheartedly and folks, you know our world, we are all about DIY. We’re all about empowering ourselves to doing things. Gardening, making our own home and body care, taking care of ourselves, making our own food, which takes time. We are not a fast food type of people.

[01:00:04] We’re not in the fast movement stuff. But here’s the thing I wanna leave y’all with. There are three products that are almost like cheat codes, infrared sauna, red light therapy, and vibration plates.

[01:00:17] You literally do nothing but just be. You sit in the sauna, in front of a red light therapy, or you stand on your vibe plate and it does the work for you. And there’s only those three things. Everything else that we do takes time and work and energy.

[01:00:31] So this is one of those, you’re not going to hear me. This isn’t like quick weight loss. Take this pill and you’re gonna lose 50 pounds for doing nothing. No, you gotta work to do things.

[01:00:40] This is one of those things. I just want you to think about this and just enjoy. This is one of the easiest things you’ll ever do. Just like sitting into a sauna and just soaking.

[01:00:52] You’re just standing on this thing and you just enjoy the mental, emotional and physical benefits unlike anything else I’ve experienced. So I wanna leave you with that thought when it comes to quote, biohacking and technology, it’s only those three products that we really go behind and this is one of ’em.

[01:01:10] And I’m grateful Doc, and I thank you so much. Bless you. Safe travels.

[01:01:13] And y’all, this is Dr. Eric Zielinski and as always, my hope and prayers that you and your family truly experience the abundant life. 

[01:01:19] Bye-bye y’all.

[01:01:21] Thanks for listening to the Natural Living Family Podcast. Hope today’s conversation encouraged and challenged you to live a healthier, more abundant life. Tune in next week for another life transforming discussion. 

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[01:01:52] God bless. Talk to you soon.

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