Have you been touched by a cancer diagnosis? Whether it’s you or a loved one, this news is devastating. We have dealt with cancer and loss among our loved ones many times ourselves.

So when Mama Z’s close friend, Angie, was diagnosed with breast cancer a few years back, it touched us to our core. We had already experienced so much heartache relating to cancer – and we’d heard so many stories from you as well – that we had to do something.

With our mustard seed of faith, God paved the way for us to create our new documentary, Hope for Breast Cancer. Today, we’re going to share the backstory on how this film was born into existence, including how Angie came to be at the center of the film.

We want Hope for Breast Cancer to provide optimism and options for people struggling with cancer. And we want to share how God does big things when we are faithful with the little things. Join us to hear this inspiring story!

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Natural Living Family Podcast, Episode 39 – Hope for Breast Cancer Documentary: The Backstory & Why We Do What We Do

The contents of this presentation are for informational purposes only and are not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. This presentation does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.


[0:00 – 1:04] Prelude

Mama Z: And it’s very protected. And it’s just very, very special, the people there, the people that are in the clinic with you, all the caregivers.

Dr. Z: These are in Mexico. There are two of them. There’s one in Tijuana, and there’s one in Cancun.

Mama Z: Right. They have the best juicer I have ever seen. The thing looked like a salad shooter on steroids. Like you could just throw stuff in. Like it had a chute that was like so big, as big as a basketball. He would be just throwing beets in there, and it would come out. I was so impressed. And each person left with their own specialized juice for them, a vegetable juice, as they left the clinic. And it was good. I mean it was so good!

Dr. Z: You just can’t get over the juice.

Mama Z: The juicer, man, I’ve seen that thing in some of the pictures. I know we were looking at a few of the pictures.

Dr. Z: It is in the documentary, actually a feature. Okay, hold on for a second. Okay, enough about the juicer.

Mama Z: Oh, my goodness.

Dr. Z: You’ve got a love affair with your Lego-maker and a love affair with the juicer. All right.

Mama Z: Well, I do have five juicers. So, you know.


[1:05 – 1:39] Intro to Why we Did Hope for Breast Cancer

Dr. Z: Hi! This is Dr. Z.

Mama Z: And Mama Z. And welcome to episode 39 of the Natural Living Family podcast.

Dr. Z: Each week we invite you into our home to talk about how you can master the art and science of natural living. And we share the same tips our family uses each and every day to enjoy an abundant life. And you’re going to love today’s talk.

Mama Z: So, come on in and get comfortable. After all, you’re one of the family, our natural living family.

Dr. Z: But before we dive into all the fun, we’re excited to invite you to a special event.


[1:40 – 3:09] Special Invitation: Hope for Breast Cancer

Mama Z: Within the past few years, we’ve lost Eric’s grandma, as well as my aunt, brother-in-law, and one of my best friends to various forms of cancer.

Dr. Z: All the while, several of our closest friends and family members received that horrifying diagnosis everyone dreads to hear.

Mama Z: So, we’ve decided to partner with our friends at Cancer Tutor to do our part to help you not go through what we’ve experienced.

Dr. Z: For the past eighteen months, Natural Living Family and Cancer Tutor have been busy working on a film project to bring awareness to people that there is truly hope for cancer. We sponsored a stage 2 breast cancer patient to receive non-toxic therapies for one year and have documented her progress along the way.

Mama Z: This story gives a candid look at her journey through integrative cancer treatments. And we want to give you a special access pass to watch the movie before we submit it to film festivals and online streaming services.

Dr. Z: We cordially invite you to a special screening of the global premiere that will air this coming November 6.

Mama Z: Simply go to HopeforBreastCancer.com (that’s h-o-p-e-f-o-r breast cancer, dot com) to reserve your spot today. And you’ll get instant access to some of the behind the scenes footage and some other amazing goodies.

Dr. Z: We believe there is hope for breast cancer. And we invite you on our mission to help stop this epidemic.


[3:10 – 6:54] Hope for Breast Cancer Documentary

Dr. Z: Well, hey there, everybody! Episode 39, titled “Hope for Breast Cancer.” This is the back story of the documentary film that’s coming out in just a couple of weeks, and why we do what we do.

Mama Z: Absolutely.

Dr. Z: A lot to cover here. And if you haven’t, reserve your seat. It’s a free screening of what’s possibly the most emotionally awesome, beautiful movie of the year, if I do say so myself.

Mama Z: I was going to say, you did produce it. So, I’m sure you would say that. But is really good!

Dr. Z: Well how do you know? You haven’t even watched it yet. We’re going to talk about that later, because Sabrina refuses to watch the movie.

Mama Z: Not really.

Dr. Z: The very first movie I’ve ever directed. And it’s something where she . . .

Mama Z: You made me cry. And I guess it’s made other people cry.

Dr. Z: Of course; it makes everyone cry. That’s the whole point of it. It’s a crying movie.

Mama Z: I don’t go to a movie just so I can get a good cry on.

Dr. Z: Yea, you do.

Mama Z: But I love my friend. And it’s such a great story.

Dr. Z: Ah! Anyway, you are going to want to hear this, because there’s a lot to this story. And this whole month, we’re celebrating and honoring our dear friends and family members.

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: We’re celebrating and honoring breast cancer survivors. Last week, we talked about never losing hope. And for the next three weeks, we have a series of “Hope for Breast Cancer.” We’re going to talk about the back story, why we do what we do. Next week, the lessons learned and the truths revealed about cancer and breast cancer.

And October 28, in a couple of weeks, a special exclusive interview with the one and only star of the movie, Angela Lima.

Mama Z: And maybe even by that time we’ll actually have the final cut, since you won’t even share it with me.

Dr. Z: I actually don’t want you to watch it at this point, because it’s kind of funny telling people you refuse to watch it.

Mama Z: I know, but you refuse to send it to me.

Dr. Z: No, Chris is right here. Chris is literally ten feet away from you. Ask him. He’ll give it to you. He’s the gatekeeper of the movie.

Mama Z: I haven’t seen it yet in my inbox.

Dr. Z: Whatever.

Mama Z: If I read my inbox on a regular basis, that would probably help, too.

Dr. Z: “Hope for Breast Cancer,” because there is hope, y’all.

Mama Z: There is.

Dr. Z: This is a very serious note. And at the underlying, we’re going to talk so much more about this.

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: The next episode is, that God, I believe, has a plan for all of us that we can beat disease His way. We’re all unique. There is no one size fits all approach. That’s why chemo, and antibiotics, and antifungals, and essential oils, and nutrition, and howling at the moon and jumping over a stick, whatever it is that people do, will never work all the time for everybody. There is no cure.

So, this race for the cure–we’ll talk a little bit about that next episode—is one of the biggest jokes, because there is no cure. There will never be a cure. The cure is prevention. The cure is living a healthy life where your body will fight this thing. And the cure, truly, is asking God, “What is it I have to do?”

And if you’re in the throes of a disease right now, especially breast cancer, God has a solution for you. God knows exactly what you need to do. And I hope and pray He will inspire your oncologist, your radiologist, whoever it is, your natural health provider. I hope He inspires everyone who is working with you, your caretakers, to give them insight, because that’s what we need.

And that’s why this story is so powerful, because we track a woman’s story. I’m going to get ahead of myself. But we talk about her journey through every treatment you could think of, to come up with a solution that worked for her, which I promise you will not be the solution for you, because you’ve got to find what works for you.

Mama Z: Absolutely.


[6:55 – 7:22] Diffuser Reveal: Happy Trees Blend

Dr. Z: What’s in our diffuser?

Mama Z: Well, because we’re talking about the documentary, and it is fall, this is the happy trees blend. And I thought of you, because you love your favorite artist.

Dr. Z: Bob Ross.

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: I love it.

Mama Z: So, it’s three drops of clove, three drops of cedarwood, and three drops of orange. And it’s super pleasant!

Dr. Z: It is.

Mama Z: It’s a nice fall blend.

Dr. Z: I love it! Orange makes everything happy.


[7:23 – 13:13] News and Announcements

Hey, quick announcement. We are actually technically flying home today. I love pre-recording this. Today, actually we are flying home, literally flying home. We’re actually probably right now, if you’re listening to this, 7 a.m., because that’s when we release the podcasts. We’re not even actually up, because 7 a.m. Eastern is 4 a.m. Pacific.

Mama Z: Well, I’m probably up. You’re definitely not.

Dr. Z: So, we’re in Anaheim right now, and off the tail of The Truth about Cancer live event, at which I was just speaking. We’ve gone twice. I’m going to believe it that it was a wonderful weekend. It usually is.

Mama Z: Oh, I know it will be. It is going to be amazing! And just connecting with all of the people there that we’re a part of, that they’re kind of a part of our world. It’s really an awesome place to not only get to connect with other people in our space, but also the people who follow that movement and follow us in that place as well.

Dr. Z: So, maybe in a few weeks, one we get back home, we’ll be able to talk a little bit about what happened. But it’s always, always, a life-changing event. And I’m mentioning that because we’ll put this in the show notes for those of you who follow along. They typically offer a replay of the livestream. So, go to the website. Go to NaturalLivingFamilyPodcast.com. Be sure you go to this actual episode article post on the website. And then you’ll be able to see on episode 39 a link.

And our team is going to put a link so you can go sign up for a free screening of their replay, because it is a wonderful three-days’ worth of just powerful, impactful teachings. And we always do prayer and ministry during our session. And there are also fun little things, too. Other than that, also, you just got back from Santa School, and you had a great time in Michigan.

Mama Z: Absolutely. And it’s such an experience having been involved in this about twenty years. So, just being able to inspire people for health, especially in the last few years, just doing a lot of things as a public figure, teaching men and women who either are public figures or desire to be, and what their role is and their responsibility. And all of that stuff is just so amazing. But anyway, it’s always a touching weekend. And it’s a homecoming. We get to see a lot of people. Some people come every year. Some people skip a few years.

And I know our local Santa, Glenn Johnson, he was actually at my going away party for Mrs. America. He’ll be there this year. And he wrote the book, Santa Lost a Hundred Pounds, and inspiring people that if Santa can do, it, so can kids. And he speaks a lot of places about it. The book is not out just yet. But I get to get the final look at it before it goes out. And he’ll be one of my demonstrators during the fitness portion, because we have so many this year.

Dr. Z: He looked pretty good, for a Santa. And he looked like Santa. He like has the beard. And he’s got the look.

Mama Z: But he’s not overweight.

Dr. Z: I know. He’s a big dude, though. He’s not little.

Mama Z: He’s very tall.

Dr. Z: Yea, he’s a very big man.

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: He could pass for a football player back when he was a kid.

Mama Z: Yea. And he has the sweetest, kindest heart.

Dr. Z: Yea.

Mama Z: And he is just so precious. And I met him, not in Woodstock, Georgia, which is only ten miles away; I actually met him at the Santa School three years ago. And then we developed a friendship, and we’ve stayed in touch.

Dr. Z: I’m local. Hey, what’s going on?

Mama Z: Yea. So, we follow each other on Facebook and just have really connected. And he’s done some film philanthropic work for our friends and stuff. And he’s just precious.

So, anyways, we’ll get to have a lot of fun. And the craziest thing is that a lot of times I help out with the graduation. And seeing all these names of all these people from all over the world, I’ll usually mess up just a couple. But they say they never remember that or anything. But I try my best to get all of these amazing names from all over the world and pronounce them correctly.

Dr. Z: So fun! And speaking of philanthropic work, let’s dive into it, “Hope for Breast Cancer,” the documentary, the official film, the back story on why we do what we do. So, pretty much next episode, I have a lot more to share than you do; (a) because you haven’t seen the video. So, what can you talk about?

Mama Z: Yea, because you’re keeping me from it.

Dr. Z: No.

Mama Z: I know the story. I was a part of all of it.

Dr. Z: I know. So the next episode is going to be about the lessons learned and the truths revealed from the documentary. And my heart is full, because Chris and I, especially Chris, because Chris is taking this film to the next level.

Mama Z: So, I am going to be behind the camera?

Dr. Z: No, but Chris is going to grab a mike the next episode, and he has a lot to share on his heart. So, I want to say, let you take the lead on this episode. What’s the back story? I mean really, tell us about how this happened.

I also love hearing your story. Because Reggie, who is our partner on this from Cancer Tutor, hearing him, hearing his version of the story, really, it almost put me to tears. Obviously, it’s the same story, but he has a very unique perspective about how this all happened. And everything was accurate, but it reminded me of some things I forgot about, or some feelings that really motivated this whole project.

So, I want to hear your story. But, you know, I’ll add some things if you leave them out.

Mama Z: Well, before I do that . . .

Dr. Z: Oh, whatever.


[13:14 – 15:43] Testimonial Time!

Mama Z: We need to actually do one of our testimonials.

Dr. Z: Oh, I forgot the reviews. I always want to dive into them.

Mama Z: And this one is really cool, because this one is from Clinton Township, Michigan.

Dr. Z: Jay and Jill, you know me? I was raised on 16 Moravian.

Mama Z: Like who talks like that? I’m not from a city, not like from like a cross point, like seriously.

Dr. Z: I’m from 16 Moravian. She knows what I’m talking about, 16 mile. Like Detroit is like Salt Lake. It’s a grid. It’s really easy to find your way. Atlanta is a maze. And it’s squiggly lines everywhere. So, anyway, Jill, class 1998, Chippewa Big Red, whoo whoo! My old stomping ground. What’s Jill have to say?

Mama Z: All right. So, she says, she has like an emoji, a heart.

Dr. Z: I wonder if I dated her. She might be like an ex-girlfriend who changed her name, because I never dated a girl.

Mama Z: You never dated a girl?

Dr. Z: Whoever signs their name like with a city? This is serious—I might know her.

Mama Z: You might.

Dr. Z: Or she might be seventy-five years old.

Mama Z: She could be. But she is from Clinton Township.

Dr. Z: Jill, we love you. I hope you’re listening, Jill, because we actually love you. And we’re just having fun with you.

Mama Z: And guess what? She also has a commute, because that’s when she listens to us.

Dr. Z: Maybe she knows my mom.

Mama Z: She definitely could.

Dr. Z: Jill, do you know us?

Mama Z: So, she gives us five stars.

Dr. Z: Oh!

Mama Z: So, thank you! She says, “I love your podcasts. There’s always something there that I need. I look forward to the podcast each week and save it for my walk at lunch time and on the way home from work.” And we know when you are traveling in Detroit, you’ve got a little bit to go, no matter where you are. “Thanks for all you folks do.” Jill, from Clinton Township, Michigan; Apple podcasts.

Dr. Z: Yay! You know what I love about that? She’s hometown from Clinton Township. But I love the fact that she’s walking at lunch. That’s exactly what I used to do. I used to take my healthy lunch breaks. I never used to eat lunch during my lunch break, by the way. That was one of my secrets because I wasn’t really hungry; I used to snack and nibble kind of throughout the day.

Mama Z: Yea, that’s what I did.

Dr. Z: But I would enjoy my lunch break. I would go out. I would maybe play some frisbee golf. I would walk. I would throw a ball against the side of the wall and just kind of like relax.

Mama Z: I didn’t do that.

Dr. Z: Well, that’s what guys do, tennis balls, like that. I don’t know. But whatever I had to do, just get outside and get some fresh air. Awesome! Love you! Thanks for that, Jill! So, are you ready?


[15:44 – 21:22] The Backstory of the Hope for Breast Cancer Documentary

Mama Z: Back to the back story.

Dr. Z: What’s your version of the story?

Mama Z: Well, both of us had been faced with a lot of sickness and disease in our families. And losing my brother-in-law, and one of my best friends diagnosed with cancer, and just being part of the steps of that journey, and your grandmother, and my aunt.

Dr. Z: I actually had a cousin from Arizona.

Mama Z: An uncle as well. Just so much, so much. And to have my girlfriend call… And you know what I realized? In listening to the podcast episode that she’s on for next week, just reviewing it…

Dr. Z: Two weeks from now, episode 41.

Mama Z: Oh, yes, two weeks from now. It was that we talked on Bella’s first birthday. And I never even put it together, because that’s when I wrote just a synopsis of everything we talked about that day and emailed back to her, just so she would get everything while it was fresh.

Dr. Z: Well, was that after she was diagnosed?

Mama Z: Yes, it was the day, the day that she was coming home from the radiologist.

Dr. Z: That was Bella’s birthday?

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: Oh.

Mama Z: And I didn’t realize that; but that’s what it was. And just so much has happened between then and now. But I just remember thinking, “Enough is enough.” We’ve had just so much heartbreak as it relates to cancer, and just hearing so many people’s stories, that we needed to do something.

Dr. Z: And we did. Here’s the thing, though. Okay, let me play angel’s advocate. I don’t do devil’s advocate. I’m giving glory—angel’s advocate. We do stuff, though.

Mama Z: We do all the time.

Dr. Z: I mean we’re active. We give a lot of our time. We give a lot of our energy. I mean we’ve given away tens of thousands of dollars in free master classes, essential oil summits to people who are on hardships or disabled folks, whatever it was that we could do.

Mama Z: Yea.

Dr. Z: So, we’ve been doing stuff. We’re part of The Truth About Cancer organization.

Mama Z: But it was just different because this is like a sister to me. You know, having her be diagnosed younger than me, knowing what God had already put on her heart about her life, and I mean just crazy news. And I’m like besides what we do, besides spending time on the phone helping people and all of that stuff, we had to something more. And I love that we took our portion of the master classes.

Dr. Z: How much?

Mama Z: What do you mean?

Dr. Z: How much money?

Mama Z: It was fifty-thousand dollars.

Dr. Z: Yep.

Mama Z: To help by sending a patient to receive non-toxic treatments at The Hope4Cancer Treatment Center. And, in theory…

Dr. Z: Why there?

Mama Z: Because one of the things that I loved, not just about that they’re faith-based, because they are faith-based, but because of all the different modalities that they use. And we know them personally. And one of the things that I remember Angela saying to me was, “What would you do if this was you?” And that would be what I would do.

Dr. Z: Do what?

Mama Z: Go to the Hope4Cancer Treatment Center. You know, doing just a one-size fits all approach, like you’ve mentioned before, isn’t going to work for this person or this person. It has to be designed for you. And one of the things I really liked even about visiting there, not just to mention what we’ve heard at the interviews we’ve heard them, but how everything is very customized to the person and what their needs are. And certain treatments are going to work better for other people. And there are certain things that can be more challenging, like the emotional recall. But they have lots of different things that they do there.

I remember thinking how amazing it would be to send someone. We did it with Angela in mind, but had no idea that she would be the perfect patient to actually go to The Hope4Cancer Treatment Center. And then she was. And I just remember thinking…And I didn’t say anything, “You have to talk to my husband about it.” In the back of mind, I’m thinking, “You’re a young mom. How are you going to be able to get away to go to the Hope4Cancer Treatment Center? You have a job.”

You know, I’m already thinking of all of these things, that if by chance you were chosen, would it actually work. And God worked all that out. And I’m glad I just kept my mouth shut. Sometimes that’s what you’ve got to do. And it was so cool. So, she talked to you and then submitted her information. And then she ended up being the perfect patient out of all the ones that were there. It was amazing. And God worked it all out. And I can’t wait for you to hear the story.


[21:23 – 25:14] Being Personally Touched by Cancer

Dr. Z: So, that gets us to just choosing somebody. So, ultimately, to recap what Sabrina just shared, being personally hit. I’m just hit. I don’t know what else to say, touched, hit by cancer. And it was hard in a lot of different ways.

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: And I’m telling you, when it comes to where’s our money going, what are we doing with our time, our energy, and our talents, you give to churches. You might give to political organizations. You might give to your kids’ school. What are we doing to really make an impact on someone’s life? And so, I couldn’t see myself donating money to a research organization or to a foundation. It just didn’t seem right to just have this money get lost in whatever.

If you look at a lot of what is done in charitable organizations, there’s a lot of waste in some. Others, it’s like they don’t come to fruition. Like look at all these millions and millions of people racing and running and walking for the cure and wearing pink. Like every NFL player right now is wearing pink shoes. And pink is everywhere. It’s like pink is the color of America in October. Like what good has it done? I mean really, what good has all that done?

And maybe someone might argue, “Well, there’s more awareness. And more women are getting mammograms done.” But we’ll talk about that on the next episode, about the risks and potential benefits of mammography. But yea, maybe more awareness. But what do you mean, “awareness?” What do you mean awareness of? People have cancer. I mean what awareness are we talking about?

It hasn’t changed the paradigm in how people are treated. Meaning, you go to any oncologist, nine out of ten will still tell you, “It doesn’t matter what you eat.” And that’s something big we’re going to talk about next episode. I mean what a lie from the pit of hell. They’re not educated. What’s the point? Here’s the thing, here’s my cry. What’s the point? What’s the value of the “public health awareness,” this pink ribbon propaganda has created? People aren’t changing their diets. People aren’t really living any differently.

Mama Z: You have to get to the core.

Dr. Z: People aren’t looking at the root cause.

Mama Z: Right. That’s what you have to do, too.

Dr. Z: Right. And there are so many risks in everything that we do. And all of that is getting shoved under the rug. And still we’re at an all-time high of just record cases of women and men dying from this horrible disease of breast cancer, and just cancer as a whole.

And so, for us, because we’re so just emotionally touched, and again, losing Kyle, your brother-in-law, was the hardest, because Kyle and Keagan are so young. I mean Keagan, for all intents and purposes will never remember her dad, because she was what, three?

Mama Z: Well, and he was actually . . .

Dr. Z: Like she’ll never know.

Mama Z: . . . diagnosed when she was less than five months.

Dr. Z: Yea.

Mama Z: She only ever knew her dad as sick.

Dr. Z: She never knew a healthy version of her father. And you know, praise God, your sister is moving on. She has a wonderful life. And the kids have just had a great story of friends and family supporting them. But to see these young kids, like really young, my nephew, my niece, I mean they’re so young to see that was ripped. Their father was just ripped from their arms because of brain cancer. That was at the same moment, around that same time, here we are. We just launched this Master Class. And the Master Class reached 150 plus, whatever, 160,000 people.


[25:15 – 29:22] Care at the Hope4Cancer Treatment Center

Dr. Z: And we’re like, “Okay, we want to do something as an organization, as a natural living family. We want to use the proceeds to help and to give.” And that was the impetus, really, to do something really significant. And I don’t know many organizations donating like $50,000, especially very small organizations like us. This was a huge, a huge portion of the proceeds of this Master Class.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: And we’re like, “You know what? We’re going to do something now. And the whole purpose of this was just to help one person, just to affect a life that we know we can measure. And know that we guarantee one year’s worth of treatment, of non-toxic treatments, because that’s what happens when someone goes to the Hope4Cancer clinics. You stay in Mexico for three weeks. You come back home. You go back a couple of months later. You come back home. You come back a couple of months later. But they walk you through a year’s worth of treatments at home. And then you go there.

Mama Z: And it is such a precious place.

Dr. Z: Yea.

Mama Z: I mean even where they have you stay and all of that. And it’s very protected. And it’s just very, very special, the people there, that people that are in the clinic with you, all the caregivers.

Dr. Z: These are in Mexico. There are two of them. There’s one in Tijuana, and there’s one in Cancun.

Mama Z: Right. They have the best juicer I have ever seen. The thing was like a salad shooter on steroids. Like you could just throw stuff in. Like it had a chute that was like so big, as big as a basketball. He would be just throwing beets in there, and it would come out. I was so impressed. And each person left with their own specialized juice for them, a vegetable juice, as they left the clinic. And it was good. I mean it was so good!

Dr. Z: You just can’t get over the juice.

Mama Z: The juicer, man, I’ve seen that thing in some of the pictures. I remember looking at a few of the pictures.

Dr. Z: It is in the documentary, actually a feature. Okay, hold on for a second.

Mama Z: Oh my goodness.

Dr. Z: You’ve got a love affair with your label-maker and a love affair with the juicer. All right.

Mama Z: Well, I do have five juicers. So, you know.

Dr. Z: So, that’s all this was supposed to be. And we’ve got to recap, right? All of this, this was just two years ago.

Mama Z: It’s so hard to believe.

Dr. Z: All this was, it was supposed to be . . . And we partnered with Cancer Tutor. Go to CancertTutor.com. We partnered with Cancer Tutor. We were like, “Hey, we want to send somebody. And here’s our chunk. Can you match it?” And Cancer Tutor matched it. Because there’s a lot more involved when it comes to sending someone, travel, and all the other things that come into play, right?

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: Going to Mexico three times, and all the little odds and ends to all that stuff. And so, we just wanted to sponsor somebody. And like you said, a wonderful set of circumstances. Angela was chosen out of a variety of people, because she was, according to Dr. Tony, a perfect candidate for this treatment, these treatments, which are all non-toxic cancer therapies. Well, that was it. All we wanted to do was to give and then tell y’all.

Like literally, we just wanted to say, “Look, here we are. We’re best-selling authors. We have a global Master Class that has reached now more than a half-million people. And we reach five to six million people a year on our website. We’re on documentaries. And we’re up and coming health influencers, local to Atlanta, Georgia, with our little family, just trying to help the world. And here’s what we did. Here’s a little part. That’s all we wanted to do. But something happened.

Mama Z: Yea.

Dr. Z: We had a meeting with Cancer Tutor and Hope4Cancer. And we started talking about the logistics. Okay, what does this look like? Okay, you cut the check, but now what happens?

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: There are a lot of little things you don’t think about, especially when there is no organization. This wasn’t organized, by the way.

Mama Z: And the thing was, that was the step that was like keeping me up at night, because I’m like I’m just thinking about all these little details. And  good thing I didn’t know how to solve it, because, you know . . .


[29:23 – 35:47] How Many MORE People Can We Help?

Dr. Z: So, okay, the thing was, Angela, don’t be upset. We didn’t lie to you. But a lot of it we were flying by the seat of our pants, because there’s no organization that does this. And that’s one thing I want to start, by the way, from this experience. God has been putting it on my heart to start an organization to get money from people to start doing this. Like this could be what the organization does, is raise money and send people all over the world to different treatment centers to get this thing knocked out.

It’s one by one by one. Hey, and if we only help twenty people, well praise God! That’s twenty lives that we saved. This doesn’t have to be the masses. And just imagine what Jesus did.

Mama Z: He would go after the one.

Dr. Z: Yes. He taught us over and over again—you go after the one. Don’t worry about the ninety-nine. So, the thing about it is, yes, we want to help the masses. But how you help the masses is one person at a time, because that person now, look at Angela. She’s got a blog. She’s speaking. She does all kinds of cool things, but we’re not going to tell you, because it’s going to ruin the documentary for you. But man!

Mama Z: And since you won’t let me see the new cut, I don’t know exactly if I’m ruining anything.

Dr. Z: Her life was changed because of this. And now, she’s part of our little army. And so, if we can recruit more people; if this instills in anyone’s heart, like how do I get involved; shoot us an email. I mean really, this is a grassroots thing. And if folks like us can get together, and now we have the resources and we know how to do this.

But Angela, we had no idea what we were doing at first. All we wanted to do was just to help people. And then when it came to travel and administration and organization, Hope4Cancer, like we’ll just figure it out. But that’s all this was supposed to be.

But something happened. I’ll never forget where I was. I was actually upstairs in our bedroom on the conversation. It was a beautiful day, kind of like today. It was a beautiful day, sunny outside. It was hot. And we were talking.

Mama Z: It was kind of like Georgia most of the days.

Dr. Z: Unless it’s raining, because it was the rainiest like . . . don’t get me started. We’re talking about the logistics. This was when Angie was chosen by the medical center. They’re like, “She’s perfect.” Now what do we do? Next steps? And something, I think it was the Lord. I believe God said, “Don’t waste this opportunity. Don’t squander it. Don’t just send somebody without doing something with it.”

And that’s what I first proposed to them. And this was completely off the wall. I proposed to them, “What do you think about tracking her story? Just like sending a film crew just for a few days. Just send them to Mexico with her. We’ll send them out the day before, right?” This was already six months, almost a year into her own treatment protocols, by the way. She did her own natural and conventional stuff, nine months. And I go, “What are your thoughts?”

Reggie from Cancer Tutor says, “I don’t get it. What would we film?” He didn’t get the vision. And I didn’t either. All I knew was that I believe God said it. And I’m just like . . .

Mama Z: And I remember saying, “Yea, we should get that on camera.”

Dr. Z: And I remember Reggie saying, “Well, what do we film?” I said, “Just her. Just, let’s see what happens.” I mean at the end of the day, we could now document, “Hey, we gave this money. Here’s what happened.” At the very least it’s marketing propaganda. I mean seriously; from a business perspective, who wouldn’t want to do that? Imagine any big major corporation giving money away, and be like, “Hey, this is what we do with the money.” Praise God! Support us, so we can give more. I mean that’s really the bottom line, to show the world that we’re trustworthy. And this is what we do.

Mama Z: And I remember . . .

Dr. Z: That’s all it was supposed to be.

Mama Z: You even putting it out there. We did a video about, just a short little clip. And I remember you saying, “We’re accountable.” And that was just part of that.

Dr. Z: Yea. So, not only . . .

Mama Z: Putting it out there and having no follow-up, like what happened?

Dr. Z: Yea, that was the other thing. So, if you know this one thing about me; I’ve actually shared this a few times in the previous episodes throughout since we’ve been doing this now, almost forty times. Can it be almost episode 40?

One thing that I’ve tried to do in my life is hold myself accountable by sharing things very openly, right? Like I’m very open about the way I live. So, if you ever see me at McDonalds, if you ever see me at a bar getting drunk, if you ever see me at a strip club, or something.

Mama Z: I know you wouldn’t.

Dr. Z: No really. You put yourself accountable to that. So, when you’re in public, you’re always living like you’re under the scrutiny, not only with the public, but with God.

Mama Z: Right. Because like our kids say, “You know what, mom? If you don’t believe me, I know God will, because God sees everything.

Dr. Z: That’s it.

Mama Z: And if I question them, “Did you do this?” “No.” I say, “Are you sure?” Yes.

Dr. Z: So, that was my thought. That was one of my thoughts, to let people know, to thank them for their support, but also to hold ourselves accountable. So, we’re going to do this. So, that’s it. So, all we wanted to do; so, okay, again, to kind of recap. We just wanted to give. We wanted to do our part. But we really wanted to make a difference.

And the only way I could guarantee we are making a difference is being super hyper-focused on one particular aspect and one particular variable. And so, we chose one person as the variable. And we were like, “We’re going to help one person. At least we’re going to help one person film this, right?”

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: Right. I mean just think about that. Take a step back. What are you doing with your money? And when church always gives their offering plate—and most churches now let you designate how much you want to give and to what—think about giving money to specific things sometimes. Yea, the general offering is great. They need to keep the lights on.

But what if they have like a Barnabas fund, or something that helps other people? I love that. Our old church we used to go to, I loved their Barnabas fund. I used to give more money to the Barnabas fund because I knew it would guarantee and actually help specific people. I love that.

Mama Z: And clothes and other things.

Dr. Z: Yea, a lot of stuff. Try to help an individual, because then you could measure and know, and be one out of the ninety-nine. Just remember that. So, that was it. Documentary—the team was like, “Okay, we’re open to this. What does this look like?” And that’s when I started to dream. And that’s when God just gave me this like slowly over the last two years, piece by piece by piece.


[35:48 – 39:35] Evolution of a Documentary: The Story Behind the Story

So, anyway, all this was, again, it was just supposed to be like . . . Have you seen The Hunger Games, the propo? Sabrina just watched The Hunger Games in the last couple of days. This was supposed to be a propo, like a propaganda piece. It’s like, “Hey, this is what we do. This is our philanthropy,” you know, United Way, March of Dimes, whatever you want to call it. This is the Natural Living Family version of it.

But here’s the thing. Just within a couple of minutes of starting the film, it was just like when Angela started opening up her mouth, we were like, “Whoa! This is a story beyond a story, beyond a story.” Not only that but when she went to Cancun, and then she came back, things started happening. And so, what was supposed to be a couple of months’ little miniature documentary, kind of like let’s document her progress, turned out to be a full-fledged year-and-a-half following of her and her family’s life, to produce a full-length feature documentary. Event after event, after milestone after milestone.

Mama Z: And you became a producer over this time.

Dr. Z: A director.

Mama Z: And a director. And it was very cool, because you kind of got your creative juices flowing. You were like, “I really like this.”

Dr. Z: Because we didn’t have a director, per se. We never thought of that, necessarily. And then when we . . . that’s the long and short of it. There’s a lot of things that happened in that process. But wow!

Mama Z: But you had the hope and the vision. And I think that’s important, because it comes out the way the story is told, too.

Dr. Z: So, as we started seeing Angela develop, and we’ll talk more in a couple of episodes where she’s going to be on live with us. But as we started seeing her story develop and seeing how she responded, God gave me this vision of, “Okay, what you need to do is do this again. Sponsor another patient. Partner with other organizations. Send to another clinic. And then another patient, another clinic, another patient, another clinic.”

And all the while, create a series of these little videos, these little documentaries, that can produce a master one. And all the while, still follow Angela. How’s Angela five years later? You know, how is so and so ten years later?” And then it became like a movement in my mind. Because now that we’re done with this film, I mean it’s a powerful film. And all it is, it’s this wonderful woman’s story. It’s story of one woman’s bravery, her courage, her hope to never let anything take her away from God’s best and take her away from her family. And to see this develop into what it was, was never the intention, right?

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: And to do it, really quite frankly, under the budget that we’ve had to do it in! You would talk to any documentary producer, and they would say this would be impossible.

Mama Z: But we know that with God, all things are possible.

Dr. Z: So, now we’re on the heels of a global premier. We’ve rallied up our friends, our health influencers. We’ve rallied up some other partners in the cancer space. And we are expecting no less than 150,000 to 200,000 people to watch this global premier for free. And then, we’re going to submit this to film festivals, because we’ve been blessed to be able to work with professional screen-play writers and documentary consultants, to take what was a simple story into something pretty cinematic. And it’s like, wow! And that’s really the back story behind this project.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: And there’s a lot more that’s going into it. And you can read between the lines on a couple of different things. But the reality is, this is the impetus of why we do what we do at Natural Living Family. And before we cover that, and inspire you to hopefully find your why and your purpose, a quick word from our sponsor.


[39:36 – 40:41] Special Invitation: Hope for Breast Cancer

Mama Z: More than half of you listening to this will be affected by cancer at some point in your lives, either personally or through a loved one.

Dr. Z: The first thing that goes through your mind is dread, fear, and the never-ending question, can this be cured?

Mama Z: My dear friend, Angie, went through this exact experience, a wonderful mom and wife. She was the picture of health. And a breast cancer diagnosis in 2017 shocked her to the core. It changed everything for her.

Dr. Z: The Hope for Breast Cancer documentary follows her story as she navigates the maze of cancer therapies to uncover some shocking truths about herself, her faith, and about her health.

Mama Z: Visit HopeforBreastCancer.com (that’s h-o-p-e-f-o-r breast cancer dot com) to reserve your seat for the upcoming global premier and to be the first to watch the free viewing when it airs.

Dr. Z: We promise tears, laughter, and most of all, hope.


[40:42 – 46:29] Finding Your Why and Your Purpose

Dr. Z: So, on a previous episode, we actually do talk about finding your why and your purpose. And you know, finding your why and your purpose is just the beginning, right?

Mama Z: Right, because . . .

Dr. Z: What do you do with it?

Mama Z: Exactly. You know, potential is a great thing. But if you look at the definition, it’s like it is, but it’s not yet. So, you want to have that. But you have to move forward with that to actually see that come into actual motion.

Dr. Z: I had no idea where this was going to go. I had no idea where this was going to take us. I had no idea where this was going to take me personally, right? And especially you.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: You’re a big part of this film, even though you’ve never seen it.

Mama Z: Again, it’s not in my inbox.

Dr. Z: We have to do like a screening. So, now, here’s the cool thing. Now what we’re doing is we’re partnering with local churches. And this is something fun. And we’re going to talk a little bit more about this. Chris and I are going to probably go back and forth a little bit more about this. But there ain’t no church knocking on our door, begging us to come into their sanctuary to teach them to eat healthy. It just ain’t happening. But . . .

Mama Z: It’s getting to be a more popular message.

Dr. Z: But churches are willing and wanting to open up their doors for a free viewing of a faith-based documentary, about a woman who overcame cancer, and whose faith was steeped and rooted in Christ.

So, now, guess what? This message of help, of hope, of healing is getting to the churches now, because of this little film. And it has just started, in addition to the hundreds of thousands of people that it’s going to reach online, which is always cool. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t take that for granted. But where do you see this going?

Mama Z: I never put a limit on God, because we know with God all things are possible. And we’ve committed it all to Him. And we know that He’ll guide our path as to where this is supposed to go. And sometimes that’s revealed over time. And I’m not going to limit God.

Dr. Z: So, why do we do what we do?

Mama Z: We try to make a difference one at a time, because you never know where that one person, where the sphere of their influence will end and the people that they will reach, because of you taking time to help somebody, one at a time.

Dr. Z: One at a time. So, we do what we do because it has been birthed out of our own pain, right?

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: Our own personal loss, and because of the unaching desire and passion that God gave us to help others not have to experience things in the way that we have.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: But also to bring people to Christ.

Mama Z: Absolutely.

Dr. Z: Because without Christ, there is no hope.

Mama Z: That’s right, because our hope is in Him.

Dr. Z: Amen! He is the hope. He is the hope of glory, Christ Jesus. And that was the wonderful thing about the story, is that watching Angela have her, what she calls it in the movie, her literal coming to Jesus moment.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: And to use something . . . And here’s the thing. Who can’t relate to a mom? Who can’t relate to a mom who was just diagnosed with breast cancer? Who can’t relate to someone who is facing death, and having a decision to make? Who can’t relate to someone who is trying their hardest and not having it turn out to be the way that they want it to be? Who can’t relate to the ups and downs of life, right?

Mama Z: Right. We all have it. And, you know, to the degree that she went through what she did was incredible, and just keeping really steadfast. So, I’m excited for people to see it.

Dr. Z: So, why we do what we do . . . and the transition to the end of this episode . . . And don’t forget, the next episode is going to be about the lessons learned and the truths revealed from this documentary. There’s a lot of controversial meaty things we’re going to cover, especially in the context of cancer. And then episode 41 is the interview with Angie, which is really sweet.

But why we do what we do, and we want to put this to you. Why do you do what you do? What’s motivating your behaviors? What is causing you to push that button to write that check, or give that money, or participate or volunteer? Why? What’s the modus operandi behind it? And from what I can see, if our heart is pure before the Lord, if we commit this to Him, He does something special with it.

Mama Z: Always.

Dr. Z: He does. And there’s a biblical truth to that.

Mama Z: Well, I think, too, when you really turn things over to the Lord, it takes it off of your balance sheet, so to speak. It really puts it in God’s hands. And I think that was something that was both on our hearts with this. We didn’t know what was going to happen or where it would go. And we still don’t.

Dr. Z: No.

Mama Z: But we know that it’s good, and the story is going to encourage people. And that’s also what it’s about, because sometimes when people are in their own battle, you need that encouragement. And sometimes that’s the encouragement that keeps you going.



[46:30 – 53:34] The Drive for Excellence and The Heart of a Giver

Dr. Z: So, just to put a couple of things out there for you especially. This is one of those walk by faith, not by sight moments. This is one of those be faithful with a little, and God will entrust you with much, right?

What people don’t know, and I don’t share this too often. But I think it is relevant. Like why would we? And again, folks, this is not a situation where we’re a billion-dollar company. I mean we have a small team. We have a family of six, with four children. We live on a budget like everyone else that we know.

But people don’t realize that to produce the Master Class the way that we did, the Essential Oils for Abundant Living Master Class, we did it in a time, and for all intents and purposes most people are still doing it. You know, most people do like a power point presentation. They do something really low budget. And that’s typically what they can afford, right? God put on my heart, you know, do your best.

Mama Z: You’ve always been really dedicated to excellence though.

Dr. Z: And do a video. Do something that will be engaging to people. Give the resources. Dive deep. Spend time and energy. Hire and outsource. And then the more that this project became, the more investment it was, and for our business we ended up investing . . . I mean quite frankly we had to borrow like forty-thousand dollars off of our credit cards just to make the Master Class work, in addition to the money that we had before, right?

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: So, here we were at the launch of something. And this, we kind of had our ups and downs when it came to finances. And hey, we know what it’s like getting down and scraping the barrel. And we just knew because so many people asked us for this Master Class.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: So many, like thousands, thousands of people asking us. And we’re like, “Okay, let’s do it.” The time, the energy, we hired a professional film crew. I don’t know anyone doing that stuff. My dad didn’t do that stuff. My mom and dad don’t know what’s up with that. You know, I mean none of our friends or family can relate.

Mama Z: Right, right. And then you broke the internet after that.

Dr. Z: Yea, I’m sorry. We had too many people. We had an internet crash.

Mama Z: So, then you get smarter and you had to tackle those things and work the tech side.

Dr. Z: There we were, like completely at nothing. And I believe once we started selling some products that people wanted to buy, they wanted to buy access to it. They wanted to buy the print package. I just wanted to be faithful with what God gave us.

Mama Z: Yes.

Dr. Z: You know? And some people look at the tithe, and that’s somewhat of a controversial thing in Christendom. Let me tell you something. I mean when you look at money, in the book of Acts, the believers put everything they had at the apostles’ feet. They didn’t put ten percent. I mean ten percent was a rule of thumb. It was a minimum. It was a minimum back in the Old Testament. When the book of Acts came, when Jesus was resurrected, they gave everything. They had everything in common. God wants us to be big givers, right?

Mama Z: Yea.

Dr. Z: God wants us to share out of, not just out of abundance, but He wants us to share out of a grateful giving heart, not counting to the penny.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: I’m just saying, if you’re counting your tithe to the very penny, I don’t think that’s the heart of a giver. I don’t think that’s really what the Spirit would tell you. You know what I mean? And you might find yourself giving a lot more at times. And you might find yourself being pressed upon your heart to not be bound by a number or a percentage.

And so, here we were. God helped us pay off that debt, pay off our team, pay off our expenses. And we just wanted to do it. And we want to be faithful with the little. So, why am I sharing this? There’s a huge value in why we do what we do, and also how we continue to do. Maybe not just why, but how is being faithful. And I try my best. And I’ve messed up. We’ve messed up. But you know what? If we mess up, we’re going to tell you, because that’s pretty much the purpose of this podcast. It’s just being able to share our heart and our story with y’all.

But let me challenge you right now. What are you being faithful with? What are you doing with what God has given you? He has given you one, two, five talents? Are you burying that talent in the ground? Are you trying to reinvest it to make more? Are you doing what you can do to help the kingdom and multiply the vision and the gifts that God has given you?

That to me is the moral of this story. Yes, by God’s grace Angela’s life was changed and transformed in health, and dare I say healed. But this is just the beginning. And my faith has just been blown up. So, this whole process, this whole project has just opened up my dream and vision of how to reach the church, of how to help promote not just awareness, but to help other cancer patients. It’s just like my mind is exploding with just the faith that’s developed.

Mama Z: Well, I think it’s been fun to watch you grow. I think that your vision was far beyond being known for essential oils. And watching you grow in this process has been amazing, because I think it’s opened more doors for us to be able to minister to people, not just about the abundant life. But I think this project, with as much knowledge and all of the stuff that has gone into the project, it’s just going to blow people’s minds, because there are so many options out there. It’s not a one-size fits all deal at all.

And even for Angela in the process, because she’s tried every single thing that you can possibly see. But just seeing the quality and the thought-out, something that’s so far away from the mold. Not everybody is going to assembly line down if you have a sickness or a disease, because everybody is so different. And making sure that people know that it is about prevention. It is about how we do what we do. And living the abundant life is not just a tag line, but it’s actually what we really want for people, what God wants for His people.

And being in the position, whether it’s Mrs. Georgia, or being a part of this film, I think it’s going to just open and broaden people’s minds to look at things in a different way. I think that’s what our goal is with this, too, because it could have been a totally different kind of patient and a totally different kind of facility. But again, that wouldn’t matter, because when we seek God for healing, or when we seek God for the situations that are in our own life, it’s not ever going to be a one-size-fits-all thing.

Dr. Z: Amen.


[53:35 – 57:51] Exploring Options after a Cancer Diagnosis

Mama Z: And also, the other part about that, too, is that, and this is just looking at all of the different people that we’ve seen kind of go through this. When you look at what’s available treatment-wise and other things like that, just on the sickness end, a lot of the natural approaches don’t leave you down for the count for multiple days after a treatment. And you feel a lot better. Your quality of life really does end up being a much higher thing. And quality does equal quantity.

And I think when people first get a diagnosis, I mean just even in our own family, the first thing that you think of is all the things that could happen, the fear part, and all of that. And you have to combat that mentally. But I think also looking at what is available out there is huge. And knowing that, with Angela’s approach, it was a whole variety of different things. And I think if more people know what’s available, that they’re going to see and figure out what’s going to be best for them.

Dr. Z: Yea. Just think about it. Just think about what this type of just being faithful with a little and God will entrust you with much kind of mentality will do for you. And that’s really what we just want to leave you with today is that we are expecting God to do big things.

Mama Z: Yea. We want people to overcome, not just get well, but actually overcome. We know what it’s like to be sick. We also know what it’s like to recover.

Dr. Z: Again, the Bible says that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. And God will do exceedingly above anything you could ever ask or mention.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: So, I guess I just want to leave you with this note. It might not be a documentary like we were just blessed to be able to produce. It might not be a master class. It might not be a podcast or a blog or whatever it is. But you have an influence.

Mama Z: We all have a spirit of influence.

Dr. Z: And you have a purpose. And God has got something special for you. And the thing is put your hand to the plow, be faithful with the little, and allow the Lord to germinate those seeds of faith. Because ultimately what this started, and you’ve said this a lot. I’m surprised you haven’t said it this episode, actually. You’ve said this a lot: “All it takes is . . .

Mama Z: A little faith.

Dr. Z: Mustard . . .

Mama Z: I was just going to actually say that—that’s so funny that you said it. A mustard seed size of faith moves a mountain.

Dr. Z: That’s all this was. I mean this started two years ago.

Mama Z: And it’s so hard to believe that it was that long.

Dr. Z: Yea. It started with a mustard seed size of faith of our hope that your friend would be able to go and receive some non-toxic treatments to beat this thing, because of all the dreams and visions that she had to have another baby, to breastfeed, to be a mom, and to live a long life.

Mama Z: Well, and we’ve seen so many times over and over again where God will take our pain and really on the other side of it allow it to be a platform to be used for His glory. I mean that’s ultimately what we want. We want people to meet Christ. We want people to have hope in the Lord. We’ve seen it done other ways. And it’s not the same. It’s not the same as going through this, or going through other experiences with other people.

But ultimately, we want people to meet the Lord. And whether it’s through essential oils, or through speaking about this documentary, or all the different avenues that God’s given us, I think it’s important that we are always faithful to shed light on the Lord.


[57:52 – 1:06:59] With Faith The Size of a Mustard Seed

Dr. Z: Folks, let me encourage you with this, too, a real story in real life. Two and half years ago, when Sabrina found out that her friend was diagnosed, she wanted to do something, but we didn’t have the money to do anything at that time. And we didn’t even have a vision. And we didn’t even have a product, really, to sell.

Mama Z: Yea, because The Master Class didn’t even come out, what, until January or something?

Dr. Z: Yea. And we didn’t have it. We had nothing.

Mama Z: And that was in July.

Dr. Z: Yea.

Mama Z: We were pressed after that.

Dr. Z: We were just kind of in the grind, living month to month, helping people, blessing people. And you know, people look at what we do, and they think we’re like rich and famous. Like one lady, I can’t believe what she said. I talked about our kids back to school. And she’s like, “Aren’t you rich enough not to have your kids go to school?” like in a very mean way. By the way, on a side note, if you say anything mean or negative in our groups or pages, delete and ban.

Mama Z: It’s so funny, because I was . . .

Dr. Z: That’s what we do.

Mama Z: I was prepping Angela . . .

Dr. Z: Delete and ban. I don’t mess with them.

Mama Z: I said, “Eric is probably going to, just because you’re mentioned and all this stuff. But just know that Eric’s biggest thing is ban and delete.” And then he goes, “No, I delete and then ban.”

Dr. Z: I delete their comment, and then we ban them, because you need to protect yourself.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: Some think we are the rich and famous. And I don’t know where y’all get this from. Anyway, two and a half years ago, still not rich and famous two and a half years ago, but we wanted to do something. And it all started with Sabrina’s mustard size faith.

Mama Z: We had to do something.

Dr. Z: Mustard seed, I’m sorry; Sabrina’s mustard-seed size of faith that we had to do something. And I went, “Okay.” She asked me, “Help her.” And I’m like, “What do you want me to say?” And so, we helped Angela. We gave her some protocols. We gave her some ideas. We had our friend who owns a supplement company give her some beta glucan, but still . . .

Mama Z: Yea.

Dr. Z: A little something.

Mama Z: We had a few other people who also chipped in that way.

Dr. Z: Little stuff. We connected her with a thermologist . . .

Mama Z: Yea.

Dr. Z: To do her thermogram. But at the end of the day, it was that mustard seed size of faith that God activated through a project. So, here’s one thing. I don’t care, God doesn’t care where you’re at right now. Are you willing to let Him take you to where you can be?

And let me tell you something. Money, that’s the easiest thing to sell. At the drop of a hat, God can give you an amazing idea that will make you the money that you need to make to do what God has put on your heart to do.

Mama Z: You know, kind of what has just blown my socks off, especially we had these wonderful people from Latvia come and visit us yesterday.

Dr. Z: I was wondering if you were going to mention that.

Mama Z: And I said, “Hi, I’m Sabrina.” She goes, “I know who you are. My whole country knows who you are. And when we want good information, we go to Natural Living Family first, and Doctor and Mama Z to hear what you say.” And it just like blew my mind, because you know, we kind of have our head down, and we do what we really feel that God has called us to do. And it’s reaching people that we don’t even know. And that’s amazing, because that’s all that God has given us in this time. And to see all the different languages that our books are coming out in and stuff like that, it just kind of takes my breath away a little bit.

Dr. Z: Where’s your faith? And then you fasted. You prayed. You prayed, you fasted, you spoke, you believed.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: This is really the take-away message. I mean this is really the backstory. The backstory is through really Sabrina’s heart desire that she kind of transferred over to me, to really get involved in a deeper way. This turned out to be something. I kid you not, this is a pretty big deal. And it’s wonderful. And I have no doubt this is going to be accepted and possibly win film festivals. And it’s going to be reaching a lot of people and changing a lot of lives.

And I’ll speak this out, too. And for those of you who have tuned in and stayed around to the very, very end, our brave, our few, our chosen, the marines, right? The people that really love us and want to stay with us this long, we need partners. And we have a for-profit ministry. That’s a little bit different. There’s no 501(c)3 tax write-off. What we do is for a profit. And because of that we actually have like zero restrictions.

Mama Z: Right.

Dr. Z: If we were a non-profit, our accountant and our tax advisor, our lawyer…

Mama Z: And we were given that advice by a variety of different people.

Dr. Z: Including a preacher, a well-known, actually tax-advising—this is what this man does. He’s a minister, but he helps ministers basically be legit and stay in compliance with the government. He’s a legal expert. He said he didn’t recommend it. What we need are partners.

Mama Z: We were kind of like, “Really?” I remember thinking . . .

Dr. Z: Once you put yourself out there as a non-profit, you’re under a different level of scrutiny; especially for us talking about the things that we do, sharing the things that we do. The bottom line is this. We are creating an avenue for people to actually make an impact on people’s lives. And it’s one person at a time, like you said.

Mama Z: It has to be. It has to all be done at a grass-roots level. That’s where even with Mrs. Georgia, there are so many opportunities. It could be obviously Angela in that way. But there are times when I’ll get messages from . . . I didn’t know I was reaching a mom in Australia. And we’re provided with different opportunities to help people. And that’s what our heart’s desire is, to help each and every person that we possibly can.

Dr. Z: We would love to help orchestrate a pool of money that regularly chooses monthly, weekly, daily, people that can be treated. And they don’t have to travel. Like there are other ways. There are other clinics in America. Or maybe just because of insurance, like there are so many different aspects. But the bottom line is as a whole, money is required to help people to a large extent. And that not only includes awareness, educational materials; that includes actually literally helping people.

Like imagine us being able to cut a check for twenty-thousand dollars and paying someone’s medical bills because their insurance doesn’t cover half of the stuff that they were asked to by their medical doctor. And that’s the last thing you want, because that’s what’s happening folks. People are dying, and they’re leaving their family with debt.

Mama Z: You know, even with all of that, if we want to see change in the world, we have to be that change, whether it’s in this movement, or whether it’s what’s offered at the grocery store. We have to be the change that we want to see happen. Because if we aren’t, if we are not talking about . . . I wish there was this available, or I wish that… We have to start and move that, because that’s what moves things forward.

Having people be accountable in different areas and helping people grow in other areas that they might not even realize that they need to grow, like having non-toxic things in their house. Those are all things that are not just things will help move people forward with their health; but it’s going to help their family. And you don’t know where that ends.

Dr. Z: So, folks, keep us in your prayers that God continues to connect us with other organizations and other people that can propel this mission, that we can not only bring awareness and education, but actually touch people’s lives, people’s physical lives. And there’s a lot that we can do together as a team. And you are part of our team, because you’re part of our natural living family.

So, thank you so much. This has been just wonderful sharing a little bit about the story and our heart and our experience. And don’t forget to tune in the next episode, because we’re going to cover really more deeply into the lessons learned and the truths revealed from filming this Hope for Breast Cancer documentary. And the next episode, episode 41, is a special interview with Angela Lima.

Mama Z: Absolutely.

Dr. Z: The main star.

Mama Z: But also, I want to thank people, too, for supporting our master class, for supporting our classes, and the things that we have available. Because all of those, if you look at it, each part is just a piece of the puzzle.

Dr. Z: Yep.

Mama Z: And there are more pieces of the puzzle that God is going to continue to reveal, and just to help you live that abundant life, because that’s ultimately what we want for you. And to wrap up today’s show, we have a natural living tip for you.


[1:07:00 – 1:07:50] Natural Living Tip: The Law of Sowing and Reaping

Dr. Z: Don’t despise meager beginnings. And let’s go back to the law of sowing and reaping. Don’t let your seed become stagnant. God can turn a one-dollar seed into a million dollars and do amazing and wonderful things. So, we encourage you and challenge you as brothers and sisters in Christ to be faithful, to be givers, to extend yourself, like that widow who gave all that she had, that one mite, that was more than everyone else, because it was all that she had. Challenge yourself, challenge your faith, give, and continue to give, and nurture and water that seed with prayer, with fasting, and the expectation that God is going to do amazing things.


[1:07:51 – 1:08:30] Special Invitation: Hope for Breast Cancer

Mama Z: Don’t forget the free screening of “The Hope for Breast Cancer” documentary starts November 6.

Dr. Z: Simply go to HopeforBreastCancer.com. That’s h-o-p-e f-o-r breast cancer dot com. And you’ll get instant access to some behind the scenes footage and some other sweet goodies while you wait for the film to premier.

Mama Z: And please share this with a friend. The information and hope shared in this film can be a world of difference for someone in need. God bless!


[1:08:31 – end] Episode WrapUp

Dr. Z: Well, thank you for listening to this episode. We love you and we appreciate you. And we really hope that you resonate with our mission, and that you are inspired and encouraged to do your part in this journey that we call life. And as a reminder, you can find all of the Natural Living Family podcasts, episodes, show notes, and transcripts on NaturalLivingFamilypodcast.com.

And while on our website, don’t forget to sign up for our weekly podcast newsletter, which includes a personal invite to join Sabrina and I one on one on our private Facebook group and more than five-thousand other natural living lovers just like you. And don’t forget, please subscribe to our podcast and leave a review. It’s probably one of my favorite parts of the show. We love hearing what you have to say and then reading them out loud so everyone else can hear. Yay! We love it!

Mama Z: Really, we do.

Dr. Z: Well, as always, this is Dr. Z.

Mama Z: And Mama Z.

Dr. Z: And our hope and prayer are that you and your family truly experience the abundant life. God bless!

Mama Z: God bless! Bye, bye!

Natural Living Family Podcast Episode Thirty-Nine Highlights: Why

  • Intro (1:05)
  • Hope for Breast Cancer documentary(3:10)
  • Diffuser reveal (6:55)
  • News and announcements (7:23)
  • Testimonial time (13:14)
  • The backstory of the Hope for Breast Cancer documentary (15:44)
  • Being personally touched by cancer (21:23)
  • Care at the Hope4Cancer Treatment Center (25:15)
  • How many more people can we help? (29:23)
  • Evolution of a documentary: the story behind the story (35:48)
  • Finding your why and your purpose (40:42)
  • The drive for excellence & the heart of a giver (46:30)
  • Exploring options after a cancer diagnosis (55:35)
  • With faith the size of a mustard seed (57:52)
  • Natural living tip and episode wrap (1:07:00)

Favorite Quotes from Episode 39 – Why we Do This

“If you’re in the throes of a disease right now, especially breast cancer, God has a solution for you. God knows exactly what you need to do.” – Dr. Z

“I never put a limit on God because we know with God all things are possible.” – Mama Z

“With all of the knowledge that’s gone into it, I think this project is going to blow people’s minds because there are so many options out there.” – Mama Z

“If you are faithful with a little, God will entrust you with much. He rewards those who diligently seek Him.” – Dr. Z

“God doesn’t care where you’re at right now. Are you willing to let Him take you to where you’re meant to be?” – Dr. Z

Hope for Breast Cancer: The Backstory & Why We Do What We Do - Podcast Episode 39


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